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Craze77
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I do not think any country could invade the US. Every house you go to they have atleast a gun in the house. In the South its different. Theres bout 5 guns or more in each house. Does anyone agree with me?

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woody_7007
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Also, Russia couldnt invade the US. Uk and many of out allies would team up with us and help us against Russia


That is true there are NATO protocols for events like this, however dont rely too much on us Brits the Russians are much closer to us than to you and we are only a little island after all.

there is absolutely no foreshadowing a war.


Incorrect the run up to world war 2 wasa joke. Any decent policy aside form the disasterous one of appeasement could have stopped Hitler in his tracks way befor 39 and that is a view sharedby many leading historians. War is usually a case of many many diplomatic errors. They are easy to forsee, but more difficult to prevent if it gets to that stage.
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there is absolutely no foreshadowing a war.


I meant a war any time soon. I fail to recognize anything that can lead to a war in the near future.

What is NATO.


North Atlantic Treaty Organization. Heres a map of its members.
http://op-for.com/nato.bmp

USA and Canada don't show.

North American Union was just a hoax.
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What is NATO.

I have heard of it before...just can't remember what it was. I am pretty positive it is "North American Trade-", then i thought it was Federation, but that last letter is an o so it can't be what you are talking about.

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Incorrect the run up to world war 2 wasa joke. Any decent policy aside form the disasterous one of appeasement could have stopped Hitler in his tracks way befor 39 and that is a view sharedby many leading historians. War is usually a case of many many diplomatic errors. They are easy to forsee, but more difficult to prevent if it gets to that stage.


Yes and no. That's actually come up a lot for debate recently. One of the theories is that if appeasement hadn't been followed initially, it might have turned out fairly similarly but with different casualty levels. If Britain and France had gone to war earlier with Germany over the Sudetenland, or even back during the Anschluss would have begun a war that potentially made things worse. In the years running up to WWII, the French Army was given more money than it asked for for improvements to the armed forces and despite that, didn't even spend the amount of money it had asked for in the first place (Imagine that. An army that spends far less than its budget). Considering that in 1940, the French had the best fighter aircraft in the world, which were promptly eliminated due to poor tactical usage of them. An earlier war wouldn't have given France any advantage against Germany. Britain had the best tanks in 1940, but again for tactical reasons, German armor outdid Britain. Accordingly, actually fighting in 1938 wouldn't have benefited either of the major allies at the time. Instead, The BEF would have been less trained and equipped, possibly resulting in more British casualties prior to evacuation(or none at all). France likely would have still fallen. Instead of the US coming in a year and a half after the fall of France, the US would have come in much later after the fall of France forcing Britain to fight by itself for longer. It also might have tempted Hitler to launch the invasion of Russia sooner without the Siberian army being available to save Moscow or any of the modernization of the Western Russian Armies having occurred. Remember, the Siberian army was fighting the Japanese in 1939 during the border disputes. With the Siberian army tied up at Khalkhin Gol, Zhukov can't come to the rescue, Moscow falls. The Soviet Union signs a treaty ceding all European possessions of the USSR to Germany. Not long thereafter, Japan takes what it wants and leaves the USSR a burnt husk. The entire German army is now available for action on the Western Front.

For a long time, it was agreed that appeasement was a horrible plan. It surfaced recently and now its a bit of major debate among WWII scholars. The argument now is that Chamberlain was a bit too soft in just giving the Sudetenland away, but a purist hard-line declaration of war in 1938 might actually have been worse.
Craze77
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I dont think the USA will fall!!!!! Cuz I bet if it would God wouldve mentioned it in the Bible!

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@ Topic
Easily, could it be taken over by an invading force, no

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using the word ever is such a broad word so the only logical answer is yes in the near time i doubt it America has one the leading military forces but even from that it could all crumble down from a leading military force i have a feeling America will end up like the roman empire no body ever thought at the time the romans would ever fall but even now look at the taxes look at our dependency for oil and other fossil fuels Americans are destroying themselves for the future there almost setting the table for destruction.

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In the United States' brief history, it has been invaded at least twice. Once was by the British during the War of 1812 in which they sacked and burned Washington, D.C. The other time was during WWII when the Japanese invaded and overran military outposts on the Aleutian Islands (the only part of the war fought on American soil).
But the future of war is likely to be laced with ICBMs and whatever else military minds can come up with to attack people from a long way away. While the term "invaded" holds a connotation of ground troops coming in and attacking, we should not ignore the very plausible scenario of long ranged warfare.

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I dont think the USA will fall!!!!! Cuz I bet if it would God wouldve mentioned it in the Bible!

Please PLEASE PLEASE tell me that this is sarcasam.

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Yes and no. That's actually come up a lot for debate recently. One of the theories is that if appeasement hadn't been followed initially, it might have turned out fairly similarly but with different casualty levels.

For a long time, it was agreed that appeasement was a horrible plan. It surfaced recently and now its a bit of major debate among WWII scholars. The argument now is that Chamberlain was a bit too soft in just giving the Sudetenland away, but a purist hard-line declaration of war in 1938 might actually have been worse.


There are 2 main theories concerning the causes of WW2. Until the 80s the commonly acceptedone was that Hitler had planned it all straight away since his rise to power in 1933. The second theory which has now taken over was that Hitler was a gambler and that with every bold descision in foreign policy that succeeded he grew stronger and stronger, and if the British and French had resisted him earlier then the war would have been much shorter or there would have been no war at all. This is the theory which i support as with hindsight when you look at the events and the evidence it is the one that makes most sense.

If Britain and France had gone to war earlier with Germany over the Sudetenland, or even back during the Anschluss would have begun a war that potentially made things worse


Many leading historians would siagree with you on this. There has been much evidence, primarily orders from the German Chiefs of Staff and Hitler himself during these years proving this to be false. For example the Rhineland in 1936 the same year as the Anchluss he ordered his troops to withdraw if the Brits/ French reacted with military force. This ws because at the time Germany had neither the supplies or reserves to sustain a long conflict.

In the years running up to WWII, the French Army was given more money than it asked for for improvements to the armed forces and despite that, didn't even spend the amount of money it had asked for in the first place


There were many reasons the French fell, primarily poor eadership and organisation and a lack of troop training and more focus on the air force but more on that in a moment.

Considering that in 1940, the French had the best fighter aircraft in the world, which were promptly eliminated due to poor tactical usage of them.


The french air force was defeated due to terrible leadership and organisation, much like the rest of their armed forces. An earlier war would have given them a massive tactical advantage as they would have had virtual air superiority, because the Luwtwaffe only became the force it was in early 1939 when they had trained enough pilots and manufactured enough planes. In 1936 Hitler was quoted to say how poor the German airforce was and he was right. They only had a few old Ju88s and no fighters in any significant numbers.

Britain had the best tanks in 1940, but again for tactical reasons, German armor outdid Britain.


We possibly may have had a better trained armoured corps but definitely not better equipped. The German Panzers and Tigers were logistically far superior to our tanks. Only in mid 1945 did we finally make the best tank of the war but it was too late for it to see real action. The only tanks that rivalled the Germans were the Russians. Their T54s were deadly and virtually indestructible and proved invaluable to the Russians on the Eastern Front.

Accordingly, actually fighting in 1938 wouldn't have benefited either of the major allies at the time.


Even this late we still would have fared much better against the Germans. As i said before the Luwtwaffe only really became a force in 1939 and statistically the Germans produced and trained most of their war time materials and persoannel during 1939 so it would have been much easier. Not only this but the French if they had been properly lead had a huge chance to end the war before it got going. When the Germans invaded Poland they left only 3 divisions to gaurd their French, German border. The French had 11 divisions ready to fight but the field commanders were too scared to leave the safety of their border forts when they could have easily crushed the German army and marched to Berlin before the vast majority of tthe German army could get back from Poland. So no this suggests otherwise. Starting the war earlier would have been a huge advantage for the allies.

Instead, The BEF would have been less trained and equipped, possibly resulting in more British casualties prior to evacuation(or none at all). France likely would have still fallen. Instead of the US coming in a year and a half after the fall of France, the US would have come in much later after the fall of France forcing Britain to fight by itself for longer.


The BEF didnt play a particularly decisive role in the war. They just slowed the German advance much like in WW1. It wouldnt have made that much of a difference considering how they were evacuated at Dunkirk before they could have make huge impact. The French with their badp lanning and leadership would have fell but i dont see why the US would have stayed out of the war. Despite the good political relationship between Churchill and Roosevelt they only came into the war because of Pearl Harbour which the Japanese who were the allies of Germany, due to the anti comintern pact, would still have probably attacked the US pacific fleet whilst still in port. So it would have happened earler making the US join sooner, but in proportion to the war starting earlier at around the same time.

It also might have tempted Hitler to launch the invasion of Russia sooner without the Siberian army being available to save Moscow or any of the modernization of the Western Russian Armies having occurred. Remember, the Siberian army was fighting the Japanese in 1939 during the border disputes. With the Siberian army tied up at Khalkhin Gol, Zhukov can't come to the rescue, Moscow falls. The Soviet Union signs a treaty ceding all European possessions of the USSR to Germany. Not long thereafter, Japan takes what it wants and leaves the USSR a burnt husk. The entire German army is now available for action on the Western Front.


This is an inetersting theory but majorly flawed in places. The main weakness is that Germany couldnt have possibly invaded the USSR beofre they did in real life because they hadnt the men. The German armies in Russia consisted of half a million men. They didnt have this number before 1939 and only when they invaded did they have a chance. Also dont place too much value on the Siberian army. Considering around 22 million Russians died in ww2, 10 million army (estimated), then they clearly had massive reserves to call on quickly. Within 2 months 2 million men were called to the front. Probably the same would have happened if your theory took place. Albeit the vast majority had no training at all they still managed to hold out. Not only this but the partisans harrassed the Germans all the way to Moscow and back in the war. They would have had an effect aswell.

we should not ignore the very plausible scenario of long ranged warfare.


Indeed. Most 4-5th generation jets now fire air to air missiles with ranges of 50- 70 miles. They also have the capacity to take out ships from over 100 miles. Long ranged warfare is becoming more prevalent. As for ICBMs and nukes I doubt they would be used, just because whoever does triggers armageddon. Not only this but the NATO missile outposts in Eastern Europe would be a detterent to any agrressors.
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I dont think the USA will fall!!!!! Cuz I bet if it would God wouldve mentioned it in the Bible!
Please PLEASE PLEASE tell me that this is sarcasam.
It looks like sarcasm, but that guy really needs to understand that the Bible doesn't just tell us everything about current events...
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I think we are being invaded as we speak. Immigrants are going to cause the United States to implode! Ahh! Hmmm, do you guys think immigration will be the end of America? I am an immigrant but I have Americanized and I feel very Patriotic about this country, but other immigrants are oppressed more and become more reluctant to assimilate, making them sort of an internal enemy. 2 things can happen in the future, we accept them, they become part of our culture and we live happily, or we start to push them away more, and they push in the other direction, tensions grow, different immigrants also side against each other and America starts to crumble

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I think we are being invaded as we speak. Immigrants are going to cause the United States to implode! Ahh! Hmmm, do you guys think immigration will be the end of America? I am an immigrant but I have Americanized and I feel very Patriotic about this country, but other immigrants are oppressed more and become more reluctant to assimilate, making them sort of an internal enemy. 2 things can happen in the future, we accept them, they become part of our culture and we live happily, or we start to push them away more, and they push in the other direction, tensions grow, different immigrants also side against each other and America starts to crumble
Yo0u left one important word out: ILLEGAL. My mother immigrated here from the Philippines, and so did all of her brothers and sisters. All of them are now good-standing citizens. What many don't realize is that illegal immigrants are killing the blue-collar job market because they will work for dirt cheap, and then send their savings back to Mexico, Central America, etc. The problem is, ICE doesn't want to arrest many of these criminals because it's supposedly "racial profiling".
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This is the nature of capitalism, though. If someone can provide cheaper labor without any ramifications, then it behooves small businesses or families to take advantage of this. Most of these types of jobs are bottom-of-the-barrel jobs that most Americans wouldn't want anyway. The unemployment rate is so high because people refuse to just get a job - they want to receive unemployment checks while being shuffled around in bureaucratic nonsense.
It has been argued that children of illegal immigrants are flooding schools and thus raising taxes while not contributing to the overall tax pool needed to cover expenses, but this is a red herring; the problems of the U.S. economy are far more fundamental than this.
In fact, these are essentially the same complaints that Americans had when Irish, German, and Russian immigrants started flooding into the country. The solution is to strengthen our economy, improve trade relations with our neighbors (which will improve their economy) and let these theories of macroeconomics work so that the standard of living of everyone in the Americas can improve.
If you don't want to be affected personally by having a job scrubbing toilets for $2/hr taken away from you, then go to college and work in a degree-based field.

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Of course the US could be invaded. The real question is will the US get invaded?...

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