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jonnypants23
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I know alot of people avoid thees posts about GOD and Heaven but I just want to know peoples oppions about heaven.Do you belive there is a heaven and if you do what do you think its like?

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Moegreche
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What do you guys think about the heaven paradox? Let's just say that I'm a good Christian who's going to go to heaven but I really don't like phsycomonkey at all. I don't like him so much that it would ruin heaven for me. Problem is, he's also a good Christian and should also go to heaven. We can't both be there, though.
What if my wife was a Christian who's going to heaven but as an atheist, I won't be going. It wouldn't be heaven for her without me (I hope) so does that mean I get a free ride?

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What if my wife was a Christian who's going to heaven but as an atheist, I won't be going. It wouldn't be heaven for her without me (I hope) so does that mean I get a free ride?

I hope you know atheism doesn't condemn a person's soul in Christian eyes.
The presence of another can't really ruin heaven for you because part of Hell is knowing that you can never leave and go to heaven. Plus, once you're in heaven, I don't think you'll dislike anybody or anything. As a Catholic, I believe God purifies our souls in purgatory so that we don't have sins wearing us down.
Moegreche
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I hope you know atheism doesn't condemn a person's soul in Christian eyes

I didn't know that. I especially wouldn't expect to hear that coming from a Catholic. From what I learned, Catholics only believe that those who have received the holy sacraments are going to hell - and the only people doing the sacraments right are the Catholic and Apostolic Churches. You know that whole thing:
"We believe in one, holy, catholic, and apostolic Church." that's in the Nicene Creed?
Plus, once you're in heaven, I don't think you'll dislike anybody or anything.

That makes sense, but it also seems ad hoc. I don't think there's anything in the bible about such situations so any sort of answer would have to be "off the cuff" I suppose.
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I didn't know that. I especially wouldn't expect to hear that coming from a Catholic. From what I learned, Catholics only believe that those who have received the holy sacraments are going to hell - and the only people doing the sacraments right are the Catholic and Apostolic Churches. You know that whole thing:
"We believe in one, holy, catholic, and apostolic Church." that's in the Nicene Creed?

Baptism is the main thing. Other sacraments weren't taught by Jesus (Confirmation), but we just think it's appropriate for growing our souls. We believe that those who have not been Baptized are, if worthy of heaven, baptized through the blood of Christ (Baptism by blood) when they die.
"We believe in one, holy, catholic, and apostolic Church."

We also believe that Christ didn't die for just one group but everyone. Naturally we are all divided into different religious groups, but everyone has a chance to do the right thing at many times in their life, with or without Christianity to back them up.
jonnypants23
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no i do not believe in heaven. heaven, like santa claus, is just a way to motivate people to do good things in their life


Then where in the world do you think your going when you die ?
heaven ?? LOL !!! stupid christians


The only ones that are stupid are the ones who don't believe in God , heaven , or hell.

consider the bible a book you should just read if your going to die if you don't


That doesn't even make any sense .... Who do you think created the bible if you think its just another book in the market .
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Then where in the world do you think your going when you die ?


There are many places that people think they could go.

Some say Heaven, some say Hell, some think nothing happens, you're just gone. And if you are an animal in the book "Animal Farm" you believe you're going to Sugar Candy Mountain.
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There is no Heaven.

You idiots need to stop thinking that you're significant in the world and that everything will "Work out" at the end.

You die, and that's the end of it.

BigP08
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You die, and that's the end of it.

And now that you've acknowledged that, what now? You're more knowledgable, maybe, but that's about it. Hoping isn't stupid, it is optimism.
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And now that you've acknowledged that, what now?


Now I'll do what I've always done.

Live, and please myself.
BigP08
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Now I'll do what I've always done.
Live, and please myself.

Not all religions restrict your life to the bone. You said:
You idiots need to stop thinking that you're significant in the world and that everything will "Work out" at the end.

So why is hoping that things will work out in the end stupid? If they don't, what was wrong with thinking they would? At least we were hopeful. People with religion live and please themselves too.
But basically, now that you've acknowledged that, nothing changes. What was the point?
jonnypants23
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There is no Heaven.
You idiots need to stop thinking that you're significant in the world and that everything will "Work out" at the end.
You die, and that's the end of it.


If you believe in no heaven then you believe in no hell . If you do not believe in God then you don't believe in satan . If you don't believe in creation then how did we come to live in this unquie planet.This planet is made of I believe 97.5 % of water ! No other planet is like ours , think about .
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This planet is made of I believe 97.5 % of water !


What? It is about 60% Silicon dioxide SiO2 so wher is that figure from?
jonnypants23
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How do you know your going to heaven ?
And no I don't believe there will be BABES like you say = )
But serousily your not going to heaven if you just do good works , you HAVE to belive in God not your own works .

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What? It is about 60% Silicon dioxide SiO2 so wher is that figure from?


I think he was talking about surface are and just got the number wrong.
Pixie214
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I think he was talking about surface are and just got the number wrong.


Perhaps, but even then water is hardly a rare substance in the universe. there are loads of planets with oceans.
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