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Posted February 18, '10 11:13pm UTC

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and he will be MY son. 8) But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars, their place will be in the fiery lake of burning sulfer. This is the second death.

There is a show called "The Naked Archaeologist" on the History/History Inat'l Channel. Check it out for all of the &quotroof" of the true age of the Dead Sea Scrolls, etc.

My Bible tells me that I shouldn't "cast my pearls before swine" and this simply means that for all of you who have made your decisions not to believe, then nothing I can say or do will persuade you otherwise.

But the true ? here is there a heaven? Here's what Revelation 21:10-27 says,(I'm only going to share a little with you because you will either want to read the rest for yourself or, not.
11) It shone with the glory of GOD, and its brilliance was like that of a very precious jewel, like jasper, clear as crystal. 12) It had a great high wall with twelve gates, and with twelve angels at the gates. On the gates were written the names of the twelve tribes of Isreal.

Any more ?'s, feel free to contact my page: wajor59 and we'll chat. cyl.

(oops, I hit submit)\r\nand he will be MY son.  8)  But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars, their place will be in the fiery lake of burning sulfer.  This is the second death.\r\n\r\nThere is a show called "The Naked Archaeologist"  on the History/History Inat'l Channel.  Check it out for all of the "proof" of the true age of the Dead Sea Scrolls, etc.\r\n\r\nMy Bible tells me that I shouldn't "cast my pearls before swine" and this simply means that for all of you who have made your decisions not to believe, then nothing I can say or do will persuade you otherwise.  \r\n\r\nBut the true ? here is there a heaven?  Here's what Revelation 21:10-27 says,(I'm only going to share a little with you because you will either want to read the rest for yourself or, not.\r\n11)  It shone with the glory of GOD, and its brilliance was like that of a very precious jewel, like jasper, clear as crystal.  12)  It had a great high wall with twelve gates, and with twelve angels at the gates.  On the gates were written the names of the twelve tribes of Isreal.\r\n\r\nAny more ?'s, feel free to  contact my page: wajor59 and we'll chat. cyl.

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Posted February 19, '10 1:34am UTC

Since I believe in the Holy Ghost I also believe that Satan rules the earth, roames the earth,"looking for those to devour"

Sounds like a pretty scary world you live in here. Also sounds like a kid saying the boogie man is in his closet.

GOD is spirit, we can't see him as he is because even Moses was told by Him to turn away and you can see the back of ME.

Contradiction all in one sentence. So what you mean is we can see God but we would be F^%&ed if we did?

What this means to me is that GOD is pure light and this makees sense from the scientific view because there is natural occuring nuclear activity everywhere on earth.

No that doesn't make any sense at all. It's like saying magic gnomes exists holding us down and this makes sense from a scientific point of view because we have gravity everywhere on this planet.

Heaven is a real place just as the garden of Eden is a real place. We can't see it because our natural eyes would burn out of their sockets.

So these places are also made of pure light THAT BURNS?

Satan is real because of the fall from GOD's grace when Satan believed himself to be above GOD, the father and was promptly kicked out of heaven.

Tinkerbell is real because as a child I clapped for her and she came back to life. What's your point?

Satan still answers to GOD and Satan still rules the earth until JESUS' return when He will hold the White Throne Judgement.

This just makes God seem like an A$$hole. Let's send a knowingly evil being down to what I made and let him $%&^ things up.

every knee will bow and every voice shall proclaim that Jesus is King of kings and Lord of lords.

Better hope God doesn't get tired of an eternity of A$$ kissing.
If Atheists Went to Heaven

But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars, their place will be in the fiery lake of burning sulfer. This is the second death.

So an eternity of torture for a finite transgression? That sounds fair. Unbelievers go to hell?
Believe in the Invisible Flying Elephant. I'm not going to offer any proof it exists. Everything I say was caused by the elephant can be better explained by other means, but if you don't believe in it some guy named Stan will come along and punch you in the face and keep doing it until your a bloody pulp.

[quote]Since I believe in the Holy Ghost I also believe that Satan rules the earth, roames the earth,"looking for those to devour"[/quote]\r\n\r\nSounds like a pretty scary world you live in here. Also sounds like a kid saying the boogie man is in his closet.\r\n\r\n[quote]GOD is spirit, we can't see him as he is because even Moses was told by Him to turn away and you can see the back of ME.[/quote]\r\n\r\nContradiction all in one sentence. So what you mean is we can see God but we would be F^%&ed if we did?\r\n\r\n[quote]What this means to me is that GOD is pure light and this makees sense from the scientific view because there is natural occuring nuclear  activity everywhere on earth.[/quote]\r\n\r\nNo that doesn't make any sense at all. It's like saying magic gnomes exists holding us down and this makes sense from a scientific point of view because we have gravity everywhere on this planet.\r\n\r\n[quote]Heaven is a real place just as the garden of Eden is a real place.  We can't see it because our natural eyes would burn out of their sockets.[/quote]\r\n\r\nSo these places are also made of pure light THAT BURNS?\r\n\r\n[quote]Satan is real because of the fall from GOD's grace when Satan believed himself to be above GOD, the father and was promptly kicked out of heaven.[/quote]\r\n\r\nTinkerbell is real because as a child I clapped for her and she came back to life. What's your point?\r\n\r\n[quote]Satan still answers to GOD and Satan still rules the earth until JESUS' return when He will hold the White Throne Judgement.[/quote]  \r\n\r\nThis just makes God seem like an A$$hole. Let's send a knowingly evil being down to what I made and let him  $%&^ things up.\r\n\r\n[quote]every knee will bow and every voice shall proclaim that Jesus is King of kings and Lord of lords.[/quote]\r\n\r\nBetter hope God doesn't get tired of an eternity of A$$ kissing.\r\n[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TLGGKraKmXc]If Atheists Went to Heaven[/url]\r\n\r\n[quote]But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars, their place will be in the fiery lake of burning sulfer.  This is the second death.[/quote]\r\n\r\nSo an eternity of torture for a finite transgression? That sounds fair. Unbelievers go to hell? \r\nBelieve in the Invisible Flying Elephant. I'm not going to offer any proof it exists. Everything I say was caused by the elephant can be better explained by other means, but if you don't believe in it some guy named Stan will come along and punch you in the face and keep doing it until your a bloody pulp.

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Posted February 19, '10 1:52am UTC

you know, i thought that this would be a peaceful conversation by reading the first page, but, im guessing not and i mean, what we believe is what we believe and that's that

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Posted February 19, '10 3:25am UTC

I think MageGrayWolf won that one...

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Posted February 19, '10 3:50am UTC

MageGrayWolf you have no lack of knowledge or evidence backing up you ideals. You went off subject and posted silly useless replies. God is real. God is Great. He loves all but can only do so much. And when people talk bad about him he cries. If you do not believe in him I urge you to do so. And commit and give your life to him. Heaven is a real spiritual place, that's why we can't see it. Only when we pass on our Souls may enter the gates of Heaven. Besides, History everyday is turning up more and more evidence proving Jesus Christ and God are real. Giving God's people (Israel's) a home. (The UN gave a piece of land taken by Palestines in 1940's currently called Israel and the Bible foretold this event.) I have more evidence which I could strongly back up. God Bless.

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Posted February 19, '10 4:42am UTC

Heaven is a real spiritual place, that's why we can't see it.

you have no idea how funny that sounds. lol

And when people talk bad about him he cries.

So an all powerful and all knowing entity is consumed by mere emotional distress? God kinda sounds like a 6 year old girl. Oh wait, God is crying right now..

History everyday is turning up more and more evidence proving Jesus Christ and God are real.

But other than the fact you choose to ignore evolution, dismiss dinosaurs, dismiss the possibility that the Romans *with their excellent record keeping/bureaucracy* had no record of the Crucifixion under King Herod's regime?

The Israel example is a very poor example. I will predict that there will be a great war sometime in the future and a new country shall rise from it. The bible said the exact same thing, and yet you do not see me as a prophet. Why is that?

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Posted February 19, '10 4:59am UTC

MageGrayWolf you have no lack of knowledge or evidence backing up you ideals.

I have no lack of knowledge or evidence, so I'm right? Okay I guess you mean I can't prove or disprove Gods existence and you just worded it funny. If this is the case I don't need evidence the lack of evidence justifies my lack of belief.

You went off subject and posted silly useless replies.

Seeing as the beliefs I was refuting with my "silly useless replies" is used to helps define what heaven is to many people, I do see it as relevant to the topic.
I also find it interesting. You point to a story and say this proves X is real and this makes perfect sense to you. I point to another story and say this proves Y is real and you find this to be just plain silly.

God is real. God is Great. He loves all but can only do so much. And when people talk bad about him he cries.

Guess this means you don't see God as being omnipotent. If the Bible is 100% true and God is just as he is described then I don't see his actions as being those of an all loving being.

If you do not believe in him I urge you to do so.

If God really wants me and many others like me to believe in him he can just show himself to us.

Heaven is a real spiritual place, that's why we can't see it. Only when we pass on our Souls may enter the gates of Heaven.

Well first you have to prove the soul exists. Besides it's Valhalla that's the real spiritual place, I mean Olympia, I mean Nirvana, I mean Never Never Land, etc. etc. etc. Just saying a place is real with out any proof doesn't really make it real.

Besides, History everyday is turning up more and more evidence proving Jesus Christ and God are real.

Guess that explains why more and more scientists are becoming Christians since the information they are uncovering can only be explained Biblically...Wait, there not What evidence are you speaking of?

Giving God's people (Israel's) a home. (The UN gave a piece of land taken by Palestines in 1940's currently called Israel and the Bible foretold this event.) I have more evidence which I could strongly back up. God Bless.

Vague and self fulfilling Bible prophecies? This is the evidence you were talking about? You do realize the Qur'an and pretty much every other holy text has this sort of "evidence" as well right?

[quote]MageGrayWolf you have no lack of knowledge or evidence backing up you ideals.[/quote]\r\n\r\nI have no lack of knowledge or evidence, so I'm right? Okay I guess you mean I can't prove or disprove Gods existence and you just worded it funny. If this is the case I don't need evidence the lack of evidence justifies my lack of belief.\r\n\r\n[quote]You went off subject and posted silly useless replies.[/quote]\r\n\r\nSeeing as the beliefs I was refuting with my "silly useless replies" is used to helps define what heaven is to many people, I do see it as relevant to the topic. \r\nI also find it interesting. You point to a story and say this proves X is real and this makes perfect sense to you. I point to another story and say this proves Y is real and you find this to be just plain silly.\r\n\r\n[quote]God is real. God is Great. He loves all but can only do so much. And when people talk bad about him he cries.[/quote]\r\n\r\nGuess this means you don't see God as being omnipotent. If the Bible is 100% true and God is just as he is described then I don't see his actions as being those of an all loving being.\r\n\r\n[quote]If you do not believe in him I urge you to do so.[/quote]\r\n\r\nIf God really wants me and many others like me to believe in him he can just show himself to us.\r\n\r\n[quote]Heaven is a real spiritual place, that's why we can't see it. Only when we pass on our Souls may enter the gates of Heaven.[/quote]\r\n\r\nWell first you have to prove the soul exists. Besides it's Valhalla that's the real spiritual place, I mean Olympia, I mean Nirvana, I mean Never Never Land, etc. etc. etc. Just saying a place is real with out any proof doesn't really make it real.\r\n\r\n[quote]Besides, History everyday is turning up more and more evidence proving Jesus Christ and God are real. [/quote]\r\n\r\nGuess that explains why more and more scientists are becoming Christians since the information they are uncovering can only be explained Biblically...Wait, there not What evidence are you speaking of?\r\n\r\n[quote]Giving God's people (Israel's) a home. (The UN gave a piece of land taken by Palestines in 1940's currently called Israel and the Bible foretold this event.) I have more evidence which I could strongly back up. God Bless.[/quote]\r\n\r\nVague and self fulfilling Bible prophecies? This is the evidence you were talking about? You do realize the Qur'an and pretty much every other holy text has this sort of "evidence" as well right?

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Posted February 19, '10 5:49am UTC

Hello all, I was busy but I'm back now. Let's see if I can shed some light on "MageGrayWolf's" comments. This is great, MageGrayWolf, I haven't done this for a long time.

Sounds like a pretty scary world you live in here. Also sounds like a kid saying the boogie man is in his closet.

If I believe the existence of the Holy Ghost, then I also believe the opposite is true. Satan goes by many names and he is spirit, not human, not monster, not "boogey man". Satan attacks us spiritually by manipulation, humiliation, and is the father of guilt. GOD so loved the world that He sent His only begotten Son, Jesus Christ, born of a virgin, to take onto Himself the sin of all mankind, so that we can have life everlasting, guilt free. Satan wants to tell us lies saying we have no hope, no salvation, there's no heaven. This is the struggle that all of us have to endure on earth, why, because this is where Satan was sent when he fell from grace. Satan has no power over me if I don't give him any opening into my head, heart or spirit. My heart is the home of emotions, My head is where I decide what is right, wrong, beautiful, ugly. My spirit is the part of me that communes with GOD, the father by praying or by "testing" the spirits of other humans, like Sunday School teachers, deacons, Pastors. I know that the Holy Spirit lives inside of me because I have a conscious. I can not lie because my words would not sound right to my own ears. This is the test to know if the I am under the "conviction" of the Holy Spirit. These spiritual gifts of discernment are to be used, not "hidden under a basket". Christians are called to be the "Light upon the Hill". Sometimes we do this by reaching out to a stranger when they sound broken and bitter, not knowing where their spirit will go when the body returns to the earth.
But mostly, Christians are called to help each other because there is a real spiritual war going on, See the book of Daniel. After I studied this book my eyes were opened like never before. Please, explain to me how the story of Meshak, Shadrak and Abednigo has survived all of this time if the "furnace" story was a made up fable. I'm serious. I would really like to know. Also, explain to me the story of the "hand writing on the wall". Yes sir I believe the Bible, even the maps.

And this is why I know heaven is a real place that exists in the spiritual realm until Jesus appears in the eastern sky and "we will be changed". We're changed "supernaturally", in an instant, so that we can tolerate the radiation of GOD's radiance. GOD is brilliant pure light which to me does make sense. Humans have to shield their eyes when out in the sun light. GOD is the brightest star in heaven, we will not need a nuclear power plant in heaven because GOD is it.

Satan was in the garden of Eden, GOD punished him as well as Adam and Eve. We can't see the garden with our human eyes because GOD has angels guarding it . For every believing soldier of GOD that is fighting a spiritual battle or, a physical battle there is an angel in heaven fighting too. This is found in the book of Daniel.

Satan still answers to GOD and we know this from the book of Job. Satan had to ask permission to torment Job into denying the existence of GOD but everything and everyone that Job loved was taken away, then painful sores covered Job's body, but after all that, he still claimed with his mouth that GOD is the one true GOD of Heaven.

All I have to do to make satan leave me alone is to say, out loud, "to go to the place that Jesus has prepared for you, Satan, be gone!" And he's got to go, he doesn't have a choice. Only human beings do, not angels. Angels must obey but GOD didn't make human "robots", we have free will.

Hello all, I was busy but I'm back now.  Let's see if I can shed some light on "MageGrayWolf's" comments.  This is great, MageGrayWolf, I haven't done this for a long time.\r\n\r\nSounds like a pretty scary world you live in here. Also sounds like a kid saying the boogie man is in his closet.\r\n\r\nIf I believe the existence of the Holy Ghost, then I also believe the opposite is true.  Satan goes by many names and he is spirit, not human, not monster, not "boogey man".  Satan attacks us spiritually by manipulation, humiliation, and is the father of guilt.  GOD  so loved the world that He sent His only begotten Son, Jesus Christ, born of a virgin, to take onto Himself the sin of all mankind, so that we can have life everlasting, guilt free.   Satan wants to tell us lies saying we have no hope, no salvation, there's no heaven.  This is the struggle that all of us have to endure on earth, why, because this is where Satan was sent when he fell from grace.  Satan has no power over me if I don't give him any opening into my head, heart or spirit.  My heart is the home of emotions, My head is where I decide what is right, wrong, beautiful, ugly.  My spirit is the part of me that communes with GOD, the father by praying or by "testing" the spirits of other humans, like Sunday School teachers, deacons, Pastors. I know that the Holy Spirit lives inside of me because I have a conscious.  I can not lie because my words would  not  sound right to my own ears.  This is the test to know if the I am under the "conviction" of the Holy Spirit.   These spiritual gifts of discernment are to be used, not "hidden under a basket".  Christians are called to be the "Light upon the Hill".  Sometimes we do this by reaching out to a stranger when they sound broken and bitter, not knowing where their spirit will go when the body returns to the earth.\r\nBut mostly, Christians are called to help each other because there is a real spiritual war going on, See the book of Daniel. After I studied this book my eyes were opened like never before.  Please, explain to me how the story of Meshak, Shadrak and Abednigo has survived all of this time if the "furnace" story was a made up fable.  I'm serious.  I would really like to know.  Also, explain to me the story of the "hand writing on the wall".  Yes sir I believe the Bible, even the maps.\r\n\r\n\r\n And this is why I know heaven is a real place that exists in the spiritual realm until Jesus appears in the eastern sky and "we will be changed".   We're changed "supernaturally", in an instant, so that we can tolerate the radiation of GOD's radiance.  GOD is brilliant pure light which to me  does make sense.  Humans have to shield their eyes when out in the sun light.  GOD is the brightest star in heaven, we will not need a nuclear power plant in heaven because GOD is it.  \r\n\r\nSatan was in the garden of Eden, GOD punished him as well as Adam and Eve.  We can't see the garden with our human eyes because GOD has angels guarding it .  For every believing soldier of GOD that is fighting a spiritual battle or, a physical battle there is an angel in heaven fighting too.  This is found in the book of Daniel.\r\n\r\nSatan still answers to GOD and we know this from the book of Job.  Satan had to ask permission to torment Job into denying the existence of GOD but everything and everyone that Job loved was taken away, then painful sores covered Job's body, but after all that, he still claimed with his mouth that GOD is the one true GOD of Heaven.\r\n\r\nAll I have to do to make satan leave me alone is to say, out loud, "to go to the place that Jesus has prepared for you, Satan, be gone!"  And he's got to go, he doesn't have a choice.  Only human beings do, not angels.  Angels must obey but GOD didn't make human "robots", we have free will.

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Posted February 19, '10 7:32am UTC

Satan wants to tell us lies saying we have no hope, no salvation, there's no heaven.

I guess I'm Satan then... question: How do you know Satan is lying? Did God personally tell you that a non-existent entity representing a metaphorical entity of evil and human flaw is bad? The bible only provides one-sided information; or some call that: propaganda. so you have proof that there is a heaven? If not, "Satan" is telling the truth.

This is the struggle that all of us have to endure on earth, why, because this is where Satan was sent when he fell from grace.

God is willing to murder is only son for us, but is not willing to remove "Satan" the root of evil and injustice in this world?

Please, explain to me how the story of Meshak, Shadrak and Abednigo has survived all of this time if the "furnace" story was a made up fable. I'm serious.

Because they're in a book that is worshiped for around 2 thousand years? The plot line of Saw IV could be idolized if it was printed in a book that was worshiped by millions for several hundred years.

Also, explain to me the story of the "hand writing on the wall". Yes sir I believe the Bible, even the maps.

????? A guy drew something on a wall? That's a first.

in an instant, so that we can tolerate the radiation of GOD's radiance. GOD is brilliant pure light which to me does make sense.

It is me? Or is Christianity seriously a cut and paste religion? In Greek mythology when a women wanted to see Zeus in his true from, Zeus transformed from man into god in an instant. Great light was shining from Zeus and the women, a mere mortal, could withstand the awesomeness of Zeus and literally burned into ashes from the light.

Humans have to shield their eyes when out in the sun light.

So God is cosmic radiation/gamma particles with photons in the mix?

We can't see the garden with our human eyes because GOD has angels guarding it .

why haven't we found these angels guarding Eden? I'm pretty damn sure there are no protective angels in Iraq right now.

Satan still answers to GOD and we know this from the book of Job. Satan had to ask permission to torment Job into denying the existence of GOD but everything and everyone that Job loved was taken away, then painful sores covered Job's body, but after all that, he still claimed with his mouth that GOD is the one true GOD of Heaven.

So God and the evil Satan work together now? you have just proven to me that God was deliberately sent the evil "satan" to torment humanity for him, while he pretends to love all of us. you have just said that Satan and God are near opposites, and now you are telling me they work together? error.

is to say, out loud, "to go to the place that Jesus has prepared for you, Satan, be gone!"

People must give you weird looks when you ride the bus.

Angels must obey but GOD didn't make human "robots", we have free will.

so he enslaves angels, but gives the human race torture by satan, but loves us enough to give us free will, knowing that some of his own creations will go to hell? sounds like he wants me to go to hell because he intentionally made me for the sole purpose of going to hell. What nice caring father he is... >_<

This might be the longest post I ever posted.
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[quote]Satan wants to tell us lies saying we have no hope, no salvation, there's no heaven. [/quote] \r\n\r\nI guess I'm Satan then... question: How do you know Satan is lying? Did God personally tell you that a non-existent entity representing a metaphorical entity of evil and human flaw is bad? The bible only provides one-sided information; or some call that: propaganda. so you have proof that there is a heaven? If not, "Satan" is telling the truth. \r\n\r\n[quote]This is the struggle that all of us have to endure on earth, why, because this is where Satan was sent when he fell from grace.[/quote] \r\n\r\nGod is willing to murder is only son for us, but is not willing to remove "Satan" the root of evil and injustice in this world? \r\n\r\n[quote]Please, explain to me how the story of Meshak, Shadrak and Abednigo has survived all of this time if the "furnace" story was a made up fable.  I'm serious.[/quote] \r\n\r\nBecause they're in a book that is worshiped for around 2 thousand years? The plot line of Saw IV could be idolized if it was printed in a book that was worshiped by millions for several hundred years. \r\n\r\n[quote]Also, explain to me the story of the "hand writing on the wall".  Yes sir I believe the Bible, even the maps.[/quote] \r\n\r\n????? A guy drew something on a wall? That's a first. \r\n\r\n[quote]in an instant, so that we can tolerate the radiation of GOD's radiance.  GOD is brilliant pure light which to me  does make sense. [/quote] \r\n\r\nIt is me? Or is Christianity seriously a cut and paste religion? In Greek mythology when a women wanted to see Zeus in his true from, Zeus transformed from man into god in an instant. Great light was shining from Zeus and the women, a mere mortal, could withstand the awesomeness of Zeus and literally burned into ashes from the light.  \r\n\r\n[quote]Humans have to shield their eyes when out in the sun light.[/quote] \r\n\r\nSo God is cosmic radiation/gamma particles with photons in the mix? \r\n\r\n[quote]  We can't see the garden with our human eyes because GOD has angels guarding it .[/quote] \r\n\r\nwhy haven't we found these angels guarding Eden? I'm pretty damn sure there are no protective angels in Iraq right now. \r\n\r\n[quote]Satan still answers to GOD and we know this from the book of Job.  Satan had to ask permission to torment Job into denying the existence of GOD but everything and everyone that Job loved was taken away, then painful sores covered Job's body, but after all that, he still claimed with his mouth that GOD is the one true GOD of Heaven.[/quote] \r\n\r\nSo God and the evil Satan work together now? you have just proven to me that God was deliberately sent the evil "satan" to torment humanity for him, while he pretends to love all of us. you have just said that Satan and God are near opposites, and now you are telling me they work together? error. \r\n\r\n [quote]is to say, out loud, "to go to the place that Jesus has prepared for you, Satan, be gone!"  [/quote]\r\n\r\n People must give you weird looks when you ride the bus. \r\n\r\n[quote]Angels must obey but GOD didn't make human "robots", we have free will.[/quote] \r\n\r\nso he enslaves angels, but gives the human race torture by satan, but loves us enough to give us free will, knowing that some of his own creations will go to hell? sounds like he wants me to go to hell because he intentionally made me for the sole purpose of going to hell. What nice caring father he is... >_<  \r\n\r\nThis might be the longest post I ever posted. \r\n/wall of text.

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Posted February 19, '10 7:34am UTC

* couldn't

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Posted February 19, '10 8:49am UTC

History everyday is turning up more and more evidence proving Jesus Christ and God are real.

Proof that god and jesus are real? lol, show it to me then.
I've never seen it, and I doubt any one has, or ever wil.
Proof for something that isn't real, that's hard to fake.
What there is proof for is: Evolution, the big bang, dinosaurs, earth being billions of years old. Things that are the opposite of what your bible says.

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Posted February 19, '10 10:20am UTC

Hello all, I was busy but I'm back now. Let's see if I can shed some light on "MageGrayWolf's" comments. This is great, MageGrayWolf, I haven't done this for a long time.

Glad your enjoying yourself with this. I was going to dig into this after a good nights sleep but since deserteagle said a lot of what I was going to say I might as well just touch on a few things.

GOD is the brightest star in heaven, we will not need a nuclear power plant in heaven because GOD is it.

So God is cosmic radiation/gamma particles with photons in the mix?

Guess that would make God a pulsar.

Satan was in the garden of Eden, GOD punished him as well as Adam and Eve.

Even in Biblical context that is questionable. Where does it say the snake was Satan?

[quote]Angels must obey but GOD didn't make human "robots", we have free will.

so he enslaves angels, but gives the human race torture by satan, but loves us enough to give us free will, knowing that some of his own creations will go to hell? sounds like he wants me to go to hell because he intentionally made me for the sole purpose of going to hell. What nice caring father he is... >_< [/quote]

Gets worse then that. If angels must obey God, and Satan rebelled against God, then that would mean Satan could have only rebelled against God if God wanted him to.

[quote]Hello all, I was busy but I'm back now.  Let's see if I can shed some light on "MageGrayWolf's" comments.  This is great, MageGrayWolf, I haven't done this for a long time.[/quote]\r\n\r\nGlad your enjoying yourself with this. I was going to dig into this after a good nights sleep but since deserteagle said a lot of what I was going to say I might as well just touch on a few things.\r\n\r\n[quote]GOD is the brightest star in heaven, we will not need a nuclear power plant in heaven because GOD is it. [/quote] \r\n\r\n[quote]So God is cosmic radiation/gamma particles with photons in the mix? [/quote]\r\n\r\nGuess that would make God a pulsar.\r\n\r\n[quote]Satan was in the garden of Eden, GOD punished him as well as Adam and Eve.[/quote]\r\n\r\nEven in Biblical context that is questionable. Where does it say the snake was Satan?\r\n\r\n[quote][quote]Angels must obey but GOD didn't make human "robots", we have free will.[/quote]\r\nso he enslaves angels, but gives the human race torture by satan, but loves us enough to give us free will, knowing that some of his own creations will go to hell? sounds like he wants me to go to hell because he intentionally made me for the sole purpose of going to hell. What nice caring father he is... >_< [/quote]\r\n\r\nGets worse then that. If angels must obey God, and Satan rebelled against God, then that would mean Satan could have only rebelled against God if God wanted him to.

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Posted February 19, '10 12:32pm UTC

Mage you do make a point about him showing himself but that is his decision to decide. He lives through us. And don't worry, he will show himself one day. I will pray for you and God willing, he will shed his light on you.

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Posted February 19, '10 5:35pm UTC

@Mage: Yes, thats right. God allowed Satan to rebel, because he wanted us to have a choice. What is the point of free will if there is only one side to choose anyways? Thats why God allows bad things to happen to people, so they can either go "Ok God, I'm yours", or they can do the opposite.

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Posted February 19, '10 6:15pm UTC

Mage you do make a point about him showing himself but that is his decision to decide. He lives through us. And don't worry, he will show himself one day. I will pray for you and God willing, he will shed his light on you.

Well it would take a bit more then him just popping up and saying "Hi, I'm God". First I would want to get some witnesses, a few of my neighbors would do. This is to make sure I wasn't just seeing things. Now I was thinking of three tests, God seems to like things coming in numbers like that.

1. Now if this guy is claiming to be the God of the Bible then he could control life and death. So he could simply by just commanding it make my mom and dad just appear out of thin air alive and well right in front of me.
2. It has been demonstrated numerous times in the Bible God can control the weather. So I would ask him to make it rain in a very specific spot. I would decide that spot at that time to make sure it wasn't somehow set up before hand.
3. Doing something virtually physically impossible to me. Like in that movie Bruce Almighty, Bruce asks how many fingers he was holding up and when he looked at his hand he had extra fingers. Something along those lines.

Oh yes besides myself I along with the other witnesses would need to have a means to document these events. Video camera, and so forth. No need for him to show me all this neat stuff and having nothing but my word to show for it.

One more thing. Before any of you try and say "well that would take away free will". No I would still be free to reject this God. If he really is as stated in the Bible this God has shown himself to be a petty jealous A$$hole.

@Mage: Yes, thats right. God allowed Satan to rebel, because he wanted us to have a choice. What is the point of free will if there is only one side to choose anyways? Thats why God allows bad things to happen to people, so they can either go "Ok God, I'm yours", or they can do the opposite.

That is just plain ridiculous. We would still have a choice in the matter. So your saying people would only side with God if he has one of his guys torture them into it huh? Oh then punishes that guy for doing what God wanted him to do in the first place. Of course God already knows in advance what will happen so as deserteagle said.

so he enslaves angels, but gives the human race torture by satan, but loves us enough to give us free will, knowing that some of his own creations will go to hell? sounds like he wants me to go to hell because he intentionally made me for the sole purpose of going to hell. What nice caring father he is... >_<

Really I find the concept of hell a restriction of free will. What kind of choice is it really if the alternative is torture?
It's like in my Invisible Flying Elephant example, believe in it or get punch to a bloody pulp. Or as with religion believe in God or go to hell and get tortured. Does that really sound like a fair and just choice to have to make?

[quote]Mage you do make a point about him showing himself but that is his decision to decide. He lives through us. And don't worry, he will show himself one day. I will pray for you and God willing, he will shed his light on you.[/quote]\r\n\r\nWell it would take a bit more then him just popping up and saying "Hi, I'm God". First I would want to get some witnesses, a few of my neighbors would do. This is to make sure I wasn't just seeing things. Now I was thinking of three tests, God seems to like things coming in numbers like that. \r\n\r\n1. Now if this guy is claiming to be the God of the Bible then he could control life and death. So he could simply by just commanding it make my mom and dad just appear out of thin air alive and well right in front of me.\r\n2. It has been demonstrated numerous times in the Bible God can control the weather. So I would ask him to make it rain in a very specific spot. I would decide that spot at that time to make sure it wasn't somehow set up before hand.\r\n3. Doing something virtually physically impossible to me. Like in that movie Bruce Almighty, Bruce asks how many fingers he was holding up and when he looked at his hand he had extra fingers. Something along those lines.\r\n\r\nOh yes besides myself I along with the other witnesses would need to have a means to document these events. Video camera, and so forth. No need for him to show me all this neat stuff and having nothing but my word to show for it.\r\n\r\nOne more thing. Before any of you try and say "well that would take away free will". No I would still be free to reject this God. If he really is as stated in the Bible this God has shown himself to be a petty jealous A$$hole.\r\n\r\n[quote]@Mage: Yes, thats right. God allowed Satan to rebel, because he wanted us to have a choice. What is the point of free will if there is only one side to choose anyways? Thats why God allows bad things to happen to people, so they can either go "Ok God, I'm yours", or they can do the opposite.[/quote]\r\n\r\nThat is just plain ridiculous. We would still have a choice in the matter. So your saying people would only side with God if he has one of his guys torture them into it huh? Oh then punishes that guy for doing what God wanted him to do in the first place. Of course God already knows in advance what will happen so as deserteagle said.\r\n\r\n[quote]so he enslaves angels, but gives the human race torture by satan, but loves us enough to give us free will, knowing that some of his own creations will go to hell? sounds like he wants me to go to hell because he intentionally made me for the sole purpose of going to hell. What nice caring father he is... >_< [/quote]\r\n\r\nReally I find the concept of hell a restriction of free will. What kind of choice is it really if the alternative is torture?\r\nIt's like in my Invisible Flying Elephant example, believe in it or get punch to a bloody pulp. Or as with religion believe in God or go to hell and get tortured. Does that really sound like a fair and just choice to have to make?

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