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grimml

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Posted March 6, '10 5:25pm UTC

Let me ask you somthing . Is the world falling apart each minute or getting better ?
Are you getting older and falling apart , or are you always young ?
For evolution to be real things would have to be getting better every day and progressing . But that is not happening at all . People are deing , pollution is every where , and there are only limited amounts of resources on earth . Science is limited , God is not

If God isn't limited why doesn't he help us? And evolution says not that things must become better...

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Posted March 6, '10 5:38pm UTC

I never go to church, and have never read the bible at all.

I recommend that you do go read your Bible.

The way every athiest on this site describes the falses is christianity, sounds like a direct attack saying how we shouldnt believe in what we believe.

What reason do you have to believe what you believe?

And by saying you have to push hard to make us see things your way, its right you do. Because before you say see it this way, you use your pick apart sentences techniques to attack other religions... Yea basically as of now its 1 vs 3 here because all other christians on this site are to ***** to stick up for anything they believe in..

Nice way of twisting around and distorting what's being said.
The point is facts often get ignored, twisted, distorted, or even made up to perpetuate the religious beliefs. So we have to push. The debate between Creationism and Evolution is a perfect example of this. Creationist have ignored the evidence, quote mined, straw manned (twisting and distorting the truth), and flat out lied to get people to believe there side and religious views.
And this isn't an isolated incident. It happens every time the facts don't match religion.

Its very tiresome, when you try and argue with someone that cant believe anything else other than true fact.. And its especially retarded to realize that all they were trying to do was make us see... reality??? We know what it is. But we can also see the spiritual side of alot of things. It makes us happy, but of course none of you understand because its not coming out of a science text book. So before trying to make us understand your side of things (which we already know cuz we learned it in science class...) try to maybe understand our sides of things..

That first sentence is almost facepalm worthy. Really how dare we not believe in something that has nothing to back it up.
Seeing as many claim that science is the one just making stuff up and what it says in the Bible is correct then I have to say no you don't understand.
As for it makes you happy, well I would be happy if I could shoot magic spells out of my finger tips. But just because it would make me happy doesn't make it real.

Its impressive to see that three wait now 4 ppl have to attack me.. Am i actually interupting your winning this whole debate about how theres no such thing as heaven, because you cant find any facts about it on earth.. wow even me sayin that is just ridiculous.

Your not interrupting at all.
We haven't looked just on Earth. To start off people believed Heaven was up in the sky just over our planet. When we had devices that could take us there we didn't find heaven. So they believed it was some place out in the universe. We develop devices that allow us to look further and further out, never seeing it. Finally we are told it's just some spiritual place that only exists in this unobservable realm.
It's like being told a million dollars is under a rock but when we look under the rock we don't find it and are told it's not under that rock but the one next to it, but each time we turn over the next rock we find nothing. How many times do we have to look before we can just say it's not real?

Also keep in mind claiming something isn't real is a sort of default position. If there's no evidence for it then we say it likely doesn't exist until evidence can be found to back up the claim. This is how we can objectively determine what is real or not without our own bias getting in the way.

[quote]I never go to church, and have never read the bible at all.[/quote]\r\n\r\nI recommend that you do go read your Bible.\r\n\r\n[quote]The way every athiest on this site describes the falses is christianity, sounds like a direct attack saying how we shouldnt believe in what we believe.[/quote]\r\n\r\nWhat reason do you have to believe what you believe?\r\n\r\n[quote]And by saying you have to push hard to make us see things your way, its right you do. Because before you say see it this way, you use your pick apart sentences techniques to attack other religions... Yea basically as of now its 1 vs 3 here because all other christians on this site are to ***** to stick up for anything they believe in..[/quote]\r\n\r\nNice way of twisting around and distorting what's being said.\r\nThe point is facts often get ignored, twisted, distorted, or even made up to perpetuate the religious beliefs. So we have to push. The debate between Creationism and Evolution is a perfect example of this. Creationist have ignored the evidence, quote mined, straw manned (twisting and distorting the truth), and flat out lied to get people to believe there side and religious views. \r\nAnd this isn't an isolated incident. It happens every time the facts don't match religion. \r\n\r\n[quote]Its very tiresome, when you try and argue with someone that cant believe anything else other than true fact.. And its especially retarded to realize that all they were trying to do was make us see... reality??? We know what it is. But we can also see the spiritual side of alot of things. It makes us happy, but of course none of you understand because its not coming out of a science text book. So before trying to make us understand your side of things (which we already know cuz we learned it in science class...) try to maybe understand our sides of things..[/quote]\r\n\r\nThat first sentence is almost facepalm worthy. Really how dare we not believe in something that has nothing to back it up. \r\nSeeing as many claim that science is the one just making stuff up and what it says in the Bible is correct then I have to say no you don't understand.\r\nAs for it makes you happy, well I would be happy if I could shoot magic spells out of my finger tips. But just because it would make me happy doesn't make it real.\r\n\r\n\r\n[quote]Its impressive to see that three wait now 4 ppl have to attack me.. Am i actually interupting your winning this whole debate about how theres no such thing as heaven, because you cant find any facts about it on earth.. wow even me sayin that is just ridiculous.[/quote]\r\n\r\nYour not interrupting at all.\r\nWe haven't looked just on Earth. To start off people believed Heaven was up in the sky just over our planet. When we had devices that could take us there we didn't find heaven. So they believed it was some place out in the universe. We develop devices that allow us to look further and further out, never seeing it. Finally we are told it's just some spiritual place that only exists in this unobservable realm. \r\nIt's like being told a million dollars is under a rock but when we look under the rock we don't find it and are told it's not under that rock but the one next to it, but each time we turn over the next rock we find nothing. How many times do we have to look before we can just say it's not real?\r\n\r\nAlso keep in mind claiming something isn't real is a sort of default position. If there's no evidence for it then we say it likely doesn't exist until evidence can be found to back up the claim. This is how we can objectively determine what is real or not without our own bias getting in the way.

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Posted March 6, '10 6:53pm UTC

Let me ask you somthing . Is the world falling apart each minute or getting better ?

So just because the Earth isn't optimized for us you think that goes against evolution? It sure does go against the idea that this planet was created just for us. Evolution however almost requires the environment to change better or worse.

Are you getting older and falling apart , or are you always young ?

If we stayed the same this would go against evolution.

For evolution to be real things would have to be getting better every day and progressing . But that is not happening at all . People are deing , pollution is every where , and there are only limited amounts of resources on earth . Science is limited , God is not .

Evolution happen to groups not individuals. So just because individuals of a group become sick and die doesn't mean evolution is false. In fact evolution requires death so that the next generation can take over with who have the new traits to cope with the changes. Sometimes the environment changes faster then a species can, so if a species can't adapt it dies off. Those who can adapt live on.
It's not that things have to just keep getting better and better, they just have to be well enough adapted to survive the current environment they live in. Over time they can become optimized for that environment.

[quote]Let me ask you somthing . Is the world falling apart each minute or getting better ?[/quote]\r\n\r\nSo just because the Earth isn't optimized for us you think that goes against evolution? It sure does go against the idea that this planet was created just for us. Evolution however almost requires the environment to change better or worse.\r\n\r\n[quote]Are you getting older and falling apart , or are you always young ?[/quote]\r\n\r\nIf we stayed the same this would go against evolution.\r\n\r\n[quote]For evolution to be real things would have to be getting better every day and progressing . But that is not happening at all . People are deing , pollution is every where , and there are only limited amounts of resources on earth . Science is limited , God is not .[/quote]\r\n\r\nEvolution happen to groups not individuals. So just because individuals of a group become sick and die doesn't mean evolution is false. In fact evolution requires death so that the next generation can take over with who have the new traits to cope with the changes. Sometimes the environment changes faster then a species can, so if a species can't adapt it dies off. Those who can adapt live on.\r\nIt's not that things have to just keep getting better and better, they just have to be well enough adapted to survive the current environment they live in. Over time they can become optimized for that environment.

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Posted March 7, '10 2:05am UTC

For evolution to be real things would have to be getting better every day and progressing

That's an absurd oversimplification. I suggest that you spend some time researching what evolution actually is before making unappreciated comments in the WEPR.

Ah, you bloody hypocrit! I bet you atheists can see past you're "OMG science is everything", either! Haha!
LOL LOL LOL

Did you actually read my post, because I don't see any connections between yours and mine. Please elucidate. And scientists don't exclaim OMG!!! (we/they say eureka, or something nerdy like that), atheists especially b/c of the last word in ohmygod.

By the way, we're not past the fact that "science is everything". While science itself may not be everything, science, as a definition, attempts to explain everything.

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Posted March 7, '10 1:47pm UTC

What reason do you have to believe what you believe?
Please read my story of how God spoke to me twice in the "if God created all things" blog.
And scientists don't exclaim OMG!!! (we/they say eureka, or something nerdy like that), atheists especially b/c of the last word in ohmygod.
Actually atheist would exclaim OMG!!! more than christians, because to us it is offensive to take the Lord's name in vain... and besides then why is your name "BeastMode10" if you're so formal and nerdy, huh?
Did you actually read my post, because I don't see any connections between yours and mine
Still don't get it, huh? In you're post, you say religious peeps can't see past their religion and you must push them to see how their beliefs have nothing to do with reality...Well a christian would think YOU can't see past your SCIENTIFIC beliefs and THEY must push YOU to see that it has "nothing to do with reality". "reality", as you say it, is YOUR reality. I pray to God sometimes, and he answers me. Ain't that reality enough? Maybe, someday if you truly believe in God and meaningfully pray, He'll answer YOU, and then you'll see how we christians feel when you call it all coincidence.

[i]What reason do you have to believe what you believe?[/i]\r\nPlease read my story of how God spoke to me twice in the "if God created all things" blog.\r\n[i]And scientists don't exclaim OMG!!! (we/they say eureka, or something nerdy like that), atheists especially b/c of the last word in ohmygod.[/i]\r\nActually atheist would exclaim OMG!!! more than christians, because to us it is offensive to take the Lord's name in vain... and besides then why is your name "BeastMode10" if you're so formal and nerdy, huh?\r\n[i]Did you actually read my post, because I don't see any connections between yours and mine[/i]\r\nStill don't get it, huh? In you're post, you say religious peeps can't see past their religion and you must push them to see how their beliefs have nothing to do with reality...Well a christian would think YOU can't see past your SCIENTIFIC beliefs and THEY must push YOU to see that it has "nothing to do with reality". "reality", as you say it, is YOUR reality. I pray to God sometimes, and he answers me. Ain't that reality enough? Maybe, someday if you truly believe in God and meaningfully pray, He'll answer YOU, and then you'll see how we christians feel when you call it all coincidence.

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Posted March 7, '10 6:29pm UTC

BTW, justaround the corner, you can post quotes with the quote button up top. Just make sure to cap it off when you're finished. It makes your posts a lot easier to read.

and besides then why is your name "BeastMode10" if you're so formal and nerdy, huh?

You have some sort of problem with that? This thread is called "lets talk about heaven", not "lets gossip about others".

In you're post, you say religious peeps can't see past their religion and you must push them to see how their beliefs have nothing to do with reality...Well a christian would think YOU can't see past your SCIENTIFIC beliefs and THEY must push YOU to see that it has "nothing to do with reality".

The difference is, your reality is in your head. Our reality is outside, in the real world.

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Posted March 7, '10 6:59pm UTC

Please read my story of how God spoke to me twice in the "if God created all things" blog.

So you listened to the voice in your head.... I believe Warm Springs has an opining for people like you....

Still don't get it, huh? In you're post, you say religious peeps can't see past their religion and you must push them to see how their beliefs have nothing to do with reality...Well a christian would think YOU can't see past your SCIENTIFIC beliefs and THEY must push YOU to see that it has "nothing to do with reality". "reality", as you say it, is YOUR reality. I pray to God sometimes, and he answers me. Ain't that reality enough? Maybe, someday if you truly believe in God and meaningfully pray, He'll answer YOU, and then you'll see how we christians feel when you call it all coincidence.

Science is flexable, if someone PROVED somthing defferent then the scientists and most aitiests whould have to listen. The difference is we have PROVED maney aspects of riligion wrong but people just ignore those facts....

[quote]Please read my story of how God spoke to me twice in the "if God created all things" blog.[/quote]\r\n\r\n\r\nSo you listened to the voice in your head.... I believe Warm Springs has an opining for people like you....\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n[quote]Still don't get it, huh? In you're post, you say religious peeps can't see past their religion and you must push them to see how their beliefs have nothing to do with reality...Well a christian would think YOU can't see past your SCIENTIFIC beliefs and THEY must push YOU to see that it has "nothing to do with reality". "reality", as you say it, is YOUR reality. I pray to God sometimes, and he answers me. Ain't that reality enough? Maybe, someday if you truly believe in God and meaningfully pray, He'll answer YOU, and then you'll see how we christians feel when you call it all coincidence.[/quote]\r\n\r\n\r\nScience is flexable, if someone PROVED somthing defferent then the scientists and most aitiests whould have to listen. The difference is we have PROVED maney aspects of riligion wrong but people just ignore those facts....

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Posted March 8, '10 2:30am UTC

ffs half these arguements are basically because athiests are to closed minded, too aragant, too ignorant, and basically exceptional selfish when it comes to their views. You can't look into any other religion, without first following all the negativities, the stuff that involves some faith... Why.. because in your head, the faith and belief switch has been cranked to off, with the handle broken off, so that you can be as narrowminded as anything possible... Which is why you cant argue faith with someone this simple minded... It doesn't work. (yes im excited to see the new retarded quotes people are going to make about my above sentence, saying how they have to see facts and all that other BS that has nothing to do with religion... it will be very exciting)..
And because you guys cant see past your retarded narrowmindedness, you can diss every catholic out there, because you either feel insecure about yourself, or you just dont have the brain capacity to understand what true faith is..

It's like being told a million dollars is under a rock but when we look under the rock we don't find it and are told it's not under that rock but the one next to it, but each time we turn over the next rock we find nothing. How many times do we have to look before we can just say it's not real?

lol, well considering this was way back in the day that all this heaven was above earth stuff happened... Need i not remind you, those ppl also thought the earth was flat, that everything evolved around the earth, that we had the only solar system out there? Basically christians had no idea there was outerspace at one point, and just made a simple metaphor to describe how heaven was an unreachable place by souls in human bodies. But of course, we love to hear the facts about everything... Its always much btr that way *sarcasm*

I recommend that you do go read your Bible.

well actually you dont recommend, based on all your topics.. but ok, sounds great =). And yea good one =)

What reason do you have to believe what you believe?

And for the millionth time, Chrisitians dont need facts steve. The reason we have in believing God (which ive probably been over quite a bit) is that we believe that something good is out there, and we will eventually get into heaven in our afterlife.. (O but the facts prove there is no such thing as heaven. No scientific facts have seen it before, which mean we should not believe it, and stay in our little safety shells) O sorry just imagining what the next quote is going to be after someone reads that... Pretty much right thow, considering that every other post is a simple, or more conplex version of that very small paragraph.

Really how dare we not believe in something that has nothing to back it up.

see told yea =P

As for it makes you happy, well I would be happy if I could shoot magic spells out of my finger tips. But just because it would make me happy doesn't make it real.

yup.. nice little euphamism for what i said.. but sure another example

That's an absurd oversimplification. I suggest that you spend some time researching what evolution actually is before making unappreciated comments in the WEPR.

Great another example.. wow three in 2 posts.. Well anyways yes he should go and research more scienfic facts in a religion based thread.

You have some sort of problem with that? This thread is called "lets talk about heaven", not "lets gossip about others".

And i only it would have religions as the last word.. haha, yea you know what im saying.. You guys feel the right to walk into a christianity based topic, and attack how God isn't real. lovely

So you listened to the voice in your head.... I believe Warm Springs has an opining for people like you....

ummm yeaa all i can say is assh'le much??? i love the people like you part also. Its disturbingly patronizing.. But o well. Its the way athiests talk right. As if everything should bow down to science, because athiests themselves have no idea how to create a concept of a God... only science. science, science, science, science.

Science is flexable, if someone PROVED somthing defferent then the scientists and most aitiests whould have to listen. The difference is we have PROVED maney aspects of riligion wrong but people just ignore those facts....

lol.. still cant grasp the concept of religion. Its really funny to see alot of the brains failing in athiests.. First off we dont ignore, we just realize that our concepts of a God are just more than you can ever understand. You say there is no such thing as heaven??? Ok here, prove it. Describe actual evidence there is no such thing as a heaven. Please. Also give evidence That God truely doesnt exist. And none of this he oesn't help people when they need it stuff.. Because im sure theres alot more God has to go through than saving every persons lives in the world whenever something bad goes wrong. Not to mention we only hear of the bad in the world, none of the good. Thats what watching the news does. Scared you because of all the bad in the world.

ffs half these arguements are basically because athiests are to closed minded, too aragant, too ignorant, and basically exceptional selfish when it comes to their views. You can't look into any other religion, without first following all the negativities, the stuff that involves some faith... Why.. because in your head, the faith and belief switch has been cranked to off, with the handle broken off, so that you can be as narrowminded as anything possible... Which is why you cant argue faith with someone this simple minded... It doesn't work. (yes im excited to see the new retarded quotes people are going to make about my above sentence, saying how they have to see facts and all that other BS that has nothing to do with religion... it will be very exciting)..\r\n   And because you guys cant see past your retarded narrowmindedness, you can diss every catholic out there, because you either feel insecure about yourself, or you just dont have the brain capacity to understand what true faith is.. \r\n\r\n[i]It's like being told a million dollars is under a rock but when we look under the rock we don't find it and are told it's not under that rock but the one next to it, but each time we turn over the next rock we find nothing. How many times do we have to look before we can just say it's not real?[/i]\r\n\r\nlol, well considering this was way back in the day that all this heaven was above earth stuff happened... Need i not remind you, those ppl also thought the earth was flat, that everything evolved around the earth, that we had the only solar system out there? Basically christians had no idea there was outerspace at one point, and just made a simple metaphor to describe how heaven was an unreachable place by souls in human bodies. But of course, we love to hear the facts about everything... Its always much btr that way *sarcasm*\r\n\r\n[i]I recommend that you do go read your Bible.[/i]\r\n\r\nwell actually you dont recommend, based on all your topics.. but ok, sounds great =). And yea good one =)\r\n\r\n[i] What reason do you have to believe what you believe?[/i]\r\n\r\nAnd for the millionth time, Chrisitians dont need facts steve. The reason we have in believing God (which ive probably been over quite a bit) is that we believe that something good is out there, and we will eventually get into heaven in our afterlife.. (O but the facts prove there is no such thing as heaven. No scientific facts have seen it before, which mean we should not believe it, and stay in our little safety shells) O sorry just imagining what the next quote is going to be after someone reads that... Pretty much right thow, considering that every other post is a simple, or more conplex version of that very small paragraph.\r\n\r\n[i]Really how dare we not believe in something that has nothing to back it up.[/i]\r\n\r\nsee told yea =P\r\n\r\n[i]As for it makes you happy, well I would be happy if I could shoot magic spells out of my finger tips. But just because it would make me happy doesn't make it real.[/i]\r\n\r\nyup.. nice little euphamism for what i said.. but sure another example\r\n\r\n[i]That's an absurd oversimplification. I suggest that you spend some time researching what evolution actually is before making unappreciated comments in the WEPR.[/i]\r\n\r\nGreat another example.. wow three in 2 posts.. Well anyways yes he should go and research more scienfic facts in a religion based thread.\r\n\r\n[i]You have some sort of problem with that? This thread is called "lets talk about heaven", not "lets gossip about others".[/i]\r\n\r\nAnd i only it would have religions as the last word.. haha, yea you know what im saying.. You guys feel the right to walk into a christianity based topic, and attack how God isn't real. lovely\r\n\r\n[i]So you listened to the voice in your head.... I believe Warm Springs has an opining for people like you....[/i]\r\n\r\nummm yeaa all i can say is assh'le much??? i love the people like you part also. Its disturbingly patronizing.. But o well. Its the way athiests talk right. As if everything should bow down to science, because athiests themselves have no idea how to create a concept of a God... only science. science, science, science, science.\r\n\r\n[i]Science is flexable, if someone PROVED somthing defferent then the scientists and most aitiests whould have to listen. The difference is we have PROVED maney aspects of riligion wrong but people just ignore those facts....[/i]\r\n\r\nlol.. still cant grasp the concept of religion. Its really funny to see alot of the brains failing in athiests.. First off we dont ignore, we just realize that our concepts of a God are just more than you can ever understand. You say there is no such thing as heaven??? Ok here, prove it. Describe actual evidence there is no such thing as a heaven. Please. Also give evidence That God truely doesnt exist. And none of this he oesn't help people when they need it stuff.. Because im sure theres alot more God has to go through than saving every persons lives in the world whenever something bad goes wrong. Not to mention we only hear of the bad in the world, none of the good. Thats what watching the news does. Scared you because of all the bad in the world.

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Posted March 8, '10 2:38am UTC

half these arguements are basically because athiests are to closed minded, too aragant, too ignorant, and basically exceptional selfish when it comes to their views.

Its not closed minded to ask for some proof before blindly believing in something, it is however closed minded to not believe in something with proof and opt for something with none.

You say there is no such thing as heaven??? Ok here, prove it. Describe actual evidence there is no such thing as a heaven. Please. Also give evidence That God truely doesnt exist.

You say there is such a thing as heaven? Prove it, you make the claims so its up to you.

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Posted March 8, '10 4:23am UTC

As if everything should bow down to science

Not necessarily. You don't actually have to embrace science, just accept it.

because athiests themselves have no idea how to create a concept of a God... only science. science, science, science, science

There it is. Finally caught on tape. Here's the key phrase: "create a concept of a God". You basically just admitted that it was mankind that created God, not vice versa. Well, I think my work here is done...

lol.. still cant grasp the concept of religion. Its really funny to see alot of the brains failing in athiests.. First off we dont ignore, we just realize that our concepts of a God are just more than you can ever understand. You say there is no such thing as heaven??? Ok here, prove it. Describe actual evidence there is no such thing as a heaven. Please. Also give evidence That God truely doesnt exist. And none of this he oesn't help people when they need it stuff.. Because im sure theres alot more God has to go through than saving every persons lives in the world whenever something bad goes wrong. Not to mention we only hear of the bad in the world, none of the good. Thats what watching the news does. Scared you because of all the bad in the world.

Dude...Calm down, plz. We're not here to somehow &quotrove" that God is inexistent, as that would admittably be difficult. Our purpose here is to pretty much stop people from thinking that God is automatially real, because it's not that simple.

[quote]As if everything should bow down to science[/quote]\r\n\r\nNot necessarily. You don't actually have to embrace science, just accept it.\r\n\r\n[quote]because athiests themselves have no idea how to create a concept of a God... only science. science, science, science, science[/quote]\r\n\r\nThere it is. Finally caught on tape. Here's the key phrase: "create a concept of a God". You basically just admitted that it was mankind that created God, not vice versa. Well, I think my work here is done...\r\n\r\n[quote]lol.. still cant grasp the concept of religion. Its really funny to see alot of the brains failing in athiests.. First off we dont ignore, we just realize that our concepts of a God are just more than you can ever understand. You say there is no such thing as heaven??? Ok here, prove it. Describe actual evidence there is no such thing as a heaven. Please. Also give evidence That God truely doesnt exist. And none of this he oesn't help people when they need it stuff.. Because im sure theres alot more God has to go through than saving every persons lives in the world whenever something bad goes wrong. Not to mention we only hear of the bad in the world, none of the good. Thats what watching the news does. Scared you because of all the bad in the world.[/quote]\r\n\r\nDude...Calm down, plz. We're not here to somehow "prove" that God is inexistent, as that would admittably be difficult. Our purpose here is to pretty much stop people from thinking that God is automatially real, because it's not that simple.

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Posted March 8, '10 4:34am UTC

well actually you dont recommend, based on all your topics.. but ok, sounds great =). And yea good one =)

No really I do, go read your Bible. Don't just stop there, read other versions of the Bible besides the one you follow. Read other peoples holy text.

And for the millionth time, Chrisitians dont need facts steve. The reason we have in believing God (which ive probably been over quite a bit) is that we believe that something good is out there, and we will eventually get into heaven in our afterlife.

Who's steve? Anyway this is just stupidity at it's best. Yes it does need proof otherwise it's nothing more then baseless assumption and has no reason to be treated as being true.

ummm yeaa all i can say is assh'le much??? i love the people like you part also. Its disturbingly patronizing..

Hi Pot My name's Kettle. Nice to meet you.

because athiests themselves have no idea how to create a concept of a God.

No, I can create a concept of God. I just don't delude myself into thinking it's real.

Seeing as the rest of your post is nothing more then bull$*&% and rafterman already cover some of what I would have said I'm just going to leave it here.

[quote]well actually you dont recommend, based on all your topics.. but ok, sounds great =). And yea good one =)[/quote]\r\n\r\nNo really I do, go read your Bible. Don't just stop there, read other versions of the Bible besides the one you follow. Read other peoples holy text.\r\n\r\n[quote]And for the millionth time, Chrisitians dont need facts steve. The reason we have in believing God (which ive probably been over quite a bit) is that we believe that something good is out there, and we will eventually get into heaven in our afterlife.[/quote]\r\n\r\nWho's steve? Anyway this is just stupidity at it's best. Yes it does need proof otherwise it's nothing more then baseless assumption and has no reason to be treated as being true.\r\n\r\n[quote]ummm yeaa all i can say is assh'le much??? i love the people like you part also. Its disturbingly patronizing.. [/quote] \r\n\r\nHi Pot My name's Kettle. Nice to meet you.\r\n\r\n[quote]because athiests themselves have no idea how to create a concept of a God.[/quote]\r\n\r\nNo, I can create a concept of God. I just don't delude myself into thinking it's real.\r\n\r\nSeeing as the rest of your post is nothing more then bull$*&% and rafterman already cover some of what I would have said I'm just going to leave it here.

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Posted March 8, '10 6:54am UTC

Seeing as the rest of your post is nothing more then bull$*&% and rafterman already cover some of what I would have said I'm just going to leave it here.

ok there champ. =)

Who's steve? Anyway this is just stupidity at it's best. Yes it does need proof otherwise it's nothing more then baseless assumption and has no reason to be treated as being true.

well to you everythings stupidity at its best, so i guess ill just have to take that with a grain of salt...

And yea basically good answers for both =) loveeee it

Dude...Calm down, plz. We're not here to somehow &quotrove" that God is inexistent, as that would admittably be difficult. Our purpose here is to pretty much stop people from thinking that God is automatially real, because it's not that simple.

Ok... well.... just a basic lol. The way every athiest submits there views on christianity is basically trying to deminish anything to do with God. The fact is, we dont automatically believe God is real. We look into it first off... As ive had to go through how many sacrements... Confirmation of course was the biggest one (which was a bichhh i must admit), but ive done it. Its just not as simple as 1, 2, 3 to become a catholic lol. which is kinda arrogant to think that we just all of a sudden believe in him. He doesn't just automatically come to life, and be like bam im God...

There it is. Finally caught on tape. Here's the key phrase: "create a concept of a God". You basically just admitted that it was mankind that created God, not vice versa. Well, I think my work here is done...

Well i love how you turn the sentence around.. But o well.. Yea i miss typed that, Good Job. You caught me... Ive officially given out the christian plan everybody. aweeee sh'tttttt...

Not necessarily. You don't actually have to embrace science, just accept it.

lol okkk well we do accept it. I accept that E=mc2. I also accept that everylife has cells. But what you want, is for every body in the world to full on accept it, and think that religion is BS. Which many people think your crazy for, just like how you think were crazy for believing in a God.

You say there is such a thing as heaven? Prove it, you make the claims so its up to you.

BTW another classic good move... This actually makes me feel warm and fuzzy on the inside, because i knew exactly what you'd say before hand. You dont have proof heaven doesn't exist. And you cant type that, because its against "science". Gasp. Sucks huh, you know you have as much proof that heaven doesn't exist than we have that it does. And it bothers you. So w/e, ill leave it at that. But dont start saying crap that God doesn't exist.. Because now ill be like you all. Give me some evidence that God doesn't exist. And give me evidence that heaven doesn't exist. You want the athiest type of battle, well there u go. And this time, im not accepting the lame answer "why dont u give us facts" because we've tried. But you cant accept it, because its not based on your scientific facts. We base it on more spiritual facts.

PS: sry bout before saying your veiws are retarded and stuff like that like a million times in my previous post. Kinda got a little outta control, and i sounded way to much like a massive d'ck. Your views are as equal as mine, and i accept it. I was kinda pissed off about other stuff, and decided to take it out in a thread.. Yea i know retarded huh =P. But basically yea, it was uncalled for.

[i]Seeing as the rest of your post is nothing more then bull$*&% and rafterman already cover some of what I would have said I'm just going to leave it here.[/i]\r\n\r\nok there champ. =)\r\n\r\n[i]Who's steve? Anyway this is just stupidity at it's best. Yes it does need proof otherwise it's nothing more then baseless assumption and has no reason to be treated as being true.[/i]\r\n\r\n\r\nwell to you everythings stupidity at its best, so i guess ill just have to take that with a grain of salt...\r\n\r\nAnd yea basically good answers for both =) loveeee it\r\n\r\n[i]Dude...Calm down, plz. We're not here to somehow "prove" that God is inexistent, as that would admittably be difficult. Our purpose here is to pretty much stop people from thinking that God is automatially real, because it's not that simple.[/i]\r\n\r\nOk... well.... just a basic lol. The way every athiest submits there views on christianity is basically trying to deminish anything to do with God. The fact is, we dont automatically believe God is real. We look into it first off... As ive had to go through how many sacrements... Confirmation of course was the biggest one (which was a bichhh i must admit), but ive done it. Its just not as simple as 1, 2, 3 to become a catholic lol. which is kinda arrogant to think that we just all of a sudden believe in him.  He doesn't just automatically come to life, and be like bam im God... \r\n\r\n[i]There it is. Finally caught on tape. Here's the key phrase: "create a concept of a God". You basically just admitted that it was mankind that created God, not vice versa. Well, I think my work here is done...[/i]\r\n\r\nWell i love how you turn the sentence around.. But o well.. Yea i miss typed that, Good Job. You caught me... Ive officially given out the christian plan everybody. aweeee sh'tttttt...\r\n\r\n[i]Not necessarily. You don't actually have to embrace science, just accept it.[/i]\r\n\r\nlol okkk well we do accept it. I accept that E=mc2. I also accept that everylife has cells. But what you want, is for every body in the world to full on accept it, and think that religion is BS. Which many people think your crazy for, just like how you think were crazy for believing in a God. \r\n\r\n[i]You say there is such a thing as heaven? Prove it, you make the claims so its up to you.[/i]\r\n\r\nBTW another classic good move... This actually makes me feel warm and fuzzy on the inside, because i knew exactly what you'd say before hand. You dont have proof heaven doesn't exist. And you cant type that, because its against "science". Gasp. Sucks huh, you know you have as much proof that heaven doesn't exist than we have that it does. And it bothers you. So w/e, ill leave it at that. But dont start saying crap that God doesn't exist.. Because now ill be like you all. Give me some evidence that God doesn't exist. And give me evidence that heaven doesn't exist. You want the athiest type of battle, well there u go. And this time, im not accepting the lame answer "why dont u give us facts" because we've tried. But you cant accept it, because its not based on your scientific facts. We base it on more spiritual facts. \r\n\r\nPS: sry bout before saying your veiws are retarded and stuff like that like a million times in my previous post. Kinda got a little outta control, and i sounded way to much like a massive d'ck. Your views are as equal as mine, and i accept it. I was kinda pissed off about other stuff, and decided to take it out in a thread.. Yea i know retarded huh =P. But basically yea, it was uncalled for.

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Posted March 8, '10 8:29am UTC

well to you everythings stupidity at its best, so i guess ill just have to take that with a grain of salt...

No not everything, but claiming faith=facts yeah that's stupid.

We look into it first off... As ive had to go through how many sacrements

Your calling the sacraments looking into it first? All they are, are rituals designed to further indoctrinate a person into the religion.

lol okkk well we do accept it. I accept that E=mc2. I also accept that everylife has cells. But what you want, is for every body in the world to full on accept it, and think that religion is BS.

Yeah accept it as long as it doesn't conflict with your religious beliefs. If it does, ignore it, it's just those silly scientists making stuff up again. Sorry you don't get to cherry pick science the way you cherry pick the Bible.

You dont have proof heaven doesn't exist. And you cant type that, because its against "science". Gasp. Sucks huh, you know you have as much proof that heaven doesn't exist than we have that it does. And it bothers you. So w/e, ill leave it at that. But dont start saying crap that God doesn't exist.. Because now ill be like you all. Give me some evidence that God doesn't exist. And give me evidence that heaven doesn't exist. You want the athiest type of battle, well there u go. And this time, im not accepting the lame answer "why dont u give us facts" because we've tried. But you cant accept it, because its not based on your scientific facts. We base it on more spiritual facts.

It doesn't work that way. You don't set out to prove a negative. If you say something exists then you have to come up with the evidence for it's existence. If there is no evidence then it's reasonable to assume it doesn't exist. The more incredible the claim the more incredible the evidence has to be, No exceptions.

[quote]well to you everythings stupidity at its best, so i guess ill just have to take that with a grain of salt...[/quote]\r\n\r\nNo not everything, but claiming faith=facts yeah that's stupid.\r\n\r\n[quote]We look into it first off... As ive had to go through how many sacrements[/quote]\r\n\r\nYour calling the sacraments looking into it first? All they are, are rituals designed to further indoctrinate a person into the religion.\r\n\r\n[quote]lol okkk well we do accept it. I accept that E=mc2. I also accept that everylife has cells. But what you want, is for every body in the world to full on accept it, and think that religion is BS.[/quote]\r\n\r\nYeah accept it as long as it doesn't conflict with your religious beliefs. If it does, ignore it, it's just those silly scientists making stuff up again. Sorry you don't get to cherry pick science the way you cherry pick the Bible.\r\n\r\n[quote]You dont have proof heaven doesn't exist. And you cant type that, because its against "science". Gasp. Sucks huh, you know you have as much proof that heaven doesn't exist than we have that it does. And it bothers you. So w/e, ill leave it at that. But dont start saying crap that God doesn't exist.. Because now ill be like you all. Give me some evidence that God doesn't exist. And give me evidence that heaven doesn't exist. You want the athiest type of battle, well there u go. And this time, im not accepting the lame answer "why dont u give us facts" because we've tried. But you cant accept it, because its not based on your scientific facts. We base it on more spiritual facts.[/quote]\r\n\r\nIt doesn't work that way. You don't set out to prove a negative. If you say something exists then you have to come up with the evidence for it's existence. If there is no evidence then it's reasonable to assume it doesn't exist. The more incredible the claim the more incredible the evidence has to be, No exceptions.

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nonconformist

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Nomad

Posted March 8, '10 4:17pm UTC

Your calling the sacraments looking into it first? All they are, are rituals designed to further indoctrinate a person into the religion.

iggnnnooorrrannnnnccccceeeeee... well it was suppossed to be in one of those singing voices but i cant do it. Anyways it obviously shows what you know about going through each sacrement... Alot of the time its a test of faith. And even more of the time its the learning and understanding of your religion. But yes.. of course they are always simple rituals. what is it.. o right *facepalm*

Yeah accept it as long as it doesn't conflict with your religious beliefs. If it does, ignore it, it's just those silly scientists making stuff up again. Sorry you don't get to cherry pick science the way you cherry pick the Bible.

Err ok.. well im not the one trying to focus on religion is higher up than science. when i entered it was all talk about how God doesn't exist, and science was like the number one thing out there. Most of the time (for me at least) i understand true fact, but i also believe in God. They've never interferred with one another, until of course on this website, where people try and make a big deal out of it.

It doesn't work that way. You don't set out to prove a negative. If you say something exists then you have to come up with the evidence for it's existence. If there is no evidence then it's reasonable to assume it doesn't exist. The more incredible the claim the more incredible the evidence has to be, No exceptions.

haha good job avoiding the question... again. Its always good to turn around ones questions too.. Especially when already we've given you the answers to why God exists. Pretty soon it will eventually gedt redundant. But anyways you still pretty much havent answered my question, every athiest here as just found a way to avoid it.

[i]Your calling the sacraments looking into it first? All they are, are rituals designed to further indoctrinate a person into the religion.[/i]\r\n\r\niggnnnooorrrannnnnccccceeeeee... well it was suppossed to be in one of those singing voices but i cant do it. Anyways it obviously shows what you know about going through each sacrement... Alot of the time its a test of faith. And even more of the time its the learning and understanding of your religion. But yes.. of course they are always simple rituals. what is it.. o right *facepalm*\r\n\r\n[i]Yeah accept it as long as it doesn't conflict with your religious beliefs. If it does, ignore it, it's just those silly scientists making stuff up again. Sorry you don't get to cherry pick science the way you cherry pick the Bible.[/i]\r\n\r\nErr ok.. well im not the one trying to focus on religion is higher up than science. when i entered it was all talk about how God doesn't exist, and science was like the number one thing out there. Most of the time (for me at least) i understand true fact, but i also believe in God. They've never interferred with one another, until of course on this website, where people try and make a big deal out of it.\r\n\r\n[i]It doesn't work that way. You don't set out to prove a negative. If you say something exists then you have to come up with the evidence for it's existence. If there is no evidence then it's reasonable to assume it doesn't exist. The more incredible the claim the more incredible the evidence has to be, No exceptions.[/i]\r\n\r\nhaha good job avoiding the question... again. Its always good to turn around ones questions too.. Especially when already we've given you the answers to why God exists. Pretty soon it will eventually gedt redundant. But anyways you still pretty much havent answered my question, every athiest here as just found a way to avoid it.

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Posted March 8, '10 4:21pm UTC

These threads are pointless, no one is ever going to change their views.

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