ForumsWEPRBurning of the American Flag(or country flag)/freedom of speech

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FutureUSMC
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I saw yet another video of a group of protestors burning the American flag. The disgust me! Please tell me someone else out here agrees that it is wrong and should be illegal.

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Thyll
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The best way to change this country because you hate it is to get the f*ck out. You don't like it, leave. We aren't stopping you.


IF I did live in the US there would be issues. If you have the power to fix them for me, go ahead, I'd leave.
- Money
- Citizenship
- Money
- My family
- Money
- Knowledge. I'd have to learn about the country
- Money
- A job. Unless you would continue to pay for everything.
- Money
- All my stuff. Again, you really want to pay to ship it out or to replace it?

It's just not practical for me to move to another country at this point in my life.

As for the rest, it's on the same level as public Nazism. I don't care if you do in your home, just get your a*s out of the streets. Your protest is going to get you screamed at, and that's about it. And punched. And shot. And for what? Nothing.


So if the country supported Nazism, you wouldn't protest? At all? You would stay in your house and say. "Yay, I'm protesting. I am definitely going to make a difference."
That isn't how things work. You go out. You have to tell them what the public want. Women can vote because they protested.
African Americans have equal rights because they protested.
Gays have rights because they protested.
Germany was stopped in WWII because the Allies as a whole protested.
Wars have been started and stopped because the people protested. People live now because someone out there said, "Wait. This isn't right. We shouldn't do this."

provoking people to kill you.

People are going to kill me because I disagree with them. Huh. Where has that happened before- OH WAIT! What about terrorists killing Americans because they disagree with them? Crusades? The burning of witches? The assassination of Lincoln and the Civil War? And many, many, many more.
iamnotironman
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Thats what people do.I also think its bad ,but not my choice.

rafterman
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Go scream "Bomb!" in an airport. You will see that there are limits.

If there are limits then its not freedom, you can call it freedom, but its clearly different by definition.
chitown
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i think it should be illegal it is just wrong and should not be done

rafterman
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i think it should be illegal it is just wrong and should not be done

Why? As long as its their flag you have no reason to dictate what they do with it.
Deth666
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It is a shameful act to burn the American Flag and I despise anyone who would do it, but I would defend, to the death, your right to do it.

If you disagree with me, well you can swim across the river to Canada. Lotta work there.

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Thanks to the USA and being so lawful, in my opinion -- because the world is set on a stance of legal matters as it is -- It should be accepted as a right, but all aspects of 'Freedom of Speech' are always limited. You can't talk about bombs in an Airport, you just can't. Just like that you can't totally expect to burn the American Flag, but chances are if someone does its not really something that goes against the countries measures to detain/jail you.

Its not something I would care about, because, for the most part, whoever does it will be hated -- and if all he's doing is burning a flag then so be it. If on the flip side he wants America to sink into the water and talks about launching missiles -- I'm pretty sure there is somewhere something in the legal limits of Freedom of Speech that would hold him responsible for some sort of crime.

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It's a symbol and that's all that it it. It is in no way harming the country its self, hell in some countries the flag is considered as not a symbol of the american people but capitalism; by burning the flag they are expressing their wish for the end of capitalism. In the United States we unlike many countries are allowed to express our thoughts in any way that we want, as long as it does not endanger or infringe on the rights of others. BY burning the flag you are expressing your opinion of the US or the govt. and therefore exercising your right to free speech. It's perfectly legal and there should be no law banning it.

Now don't get me wrong, I think burning a flag (of any country) is a shameful and embarrassing to yourself and your people. However in our country it's not a crime and it should not be treated as such.

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It should be illegal but it encroaches freedom of speech

AnaLoGMunKy
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It should be illegal but it encroaches freedom of speech


Well which side are you on...

On one hand you think it should be illigal and on the other you KNOW it would be against freedom of speech.

Why should it be illigal? What if I draw a picture of the flag and burn that? What if my son died in the war and I am unhappy with the way our goverment has run things and so burn the flag in protest.

The issue is not nearly as simple as some ass burning a flag therefore he is a hater or unpatriotic. This is creating a climate of fear to stand up and say what you believe.

To people who are `for` making it illigal, if you ever see someone burning the flag, first go and ask them, why? You may not get the simple "america sucks" answer you were hoping for.
AnaLoGMunKy
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How about we both burn the flag in protest of this blatent military aggression? I could stitch half a uk flag to half an american flag and burn it whilst shouting, "our goverments are on a conquest and are trying to make it seem, once again, that they have legitimate reasons to go into another country and bomb them."

I think this is a very vadid form of protest. I love my country, I love the land, scotland is a beautiful place and most of the people are welcoming if not a bit dour. The goverment IS NOT my land, the goverment are a selection of human beings and not all of these humans have MY countries interests at hand.

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IT IS A VALID FORM OF PROTEST
I remember back in 2006 when Bush was visiting my country (Pakistan), there were mass protests and burnings of the flag.

It was justified.

America has made life hell for many people in the Middle East, and South Asia. In the Middle East, the U.S supports the unlawful occupation of Palestine by Israel. Not to mention Iraq. Now it spreads propaganda about Iran.

In South Asia, thanks to U.S anti-Communist paranoia in the Cold War, today 1.8 million Afghan refugees are living in Pakistan. Poor, desperate, easily indoctrinated by subversive groups like the Taliban, they cause lots of trouble. In Karachi (where I live) there have always been ethnic tensions beneath the surface.

Sorry if this went off-topic.

If people in the U.S want to burn their flag, they are perfectly justified to do so.

samwynter
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it is freedom of speech, but they took it too far

tomertheking
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America has made life hell for many people in the Middle East, and South Asia. In the Middle East, the U.S supports the unlawful occupation of Palestine by Israel. Not to mention Iraq. Now it spreads propaganda about Iran.
In South Asia, thanks to U.S anti-Communist paranoia in the Cold War, today 1.8 million Afghan refugees are living in Pakistan. Poor, desperate, easily indoctrinated by subversive groups like the Taliban, they cause lots of trouble. In Karachi (where I live) there have always been ethnic tensions beneath the surface.


Explain please

Palestinians burn the american flag on every protest.
Graham
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does freedom of speech include freedom of expression? if the latter were so this could be ruled in any act.

ex.

you 1st degree murder -- expressing your dislike towards someone -- freedom of expression -- legal.

as not a symbol of the american people but capitalism

there is a anarcho free-market flag.

http://www.andrewrogers.net/Free-Market_Anarchism/Images/anarcho_capitalist_flag.gif
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