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FutureUSMC
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I saw yet another video of a group of protestors burning the American flag. The disgust me! Please tell me someone else out here agrees that it is wrong and should be illegal.

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Bloodscum
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Nomad

Explain please

Palestinians burn the american flag on every protest.


I thought it was pretty self-explanatory. What don't you understand? I'll try to answer your questions, if you have any.
AnaLoGMunKy
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Blacksmith

does freedom of speech include freedom of expression? if the latter were so this could be ruled in any act.

ex.

you 1st degree murder -- expressing your dislike towards someone -- freedom of expression -- legal.


We obviously have bounderies. Murder hurts many people, wheras burning the flag only hurts pride and some kind of learned response of patrionism. Our countries were not founded on idiots so I dont think an act of removing someones life can ONLY be treated as sybolisim.
killersquirrel1488
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I don't support the burning of the U.S. flag, but it is legal and will be for a long time due to the 1989 case of Texas v. Johnson. I believe the people who burn the flag in public places should at least be charged with disorderly conduct.

AnaLoGMunKy
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I believe the people who burn the flag in public places should at least be charged with disorderly conduct.


Thats still maiking it an offence to burn the flag. Its basicly saying dont protest about things, sit in your homes and grumble. This is NOT what countries are founded on, and this is NOT how patriots act. Patriots get on the streets and make protest. In the UK you now have to apply for some kind of permission to hold a protest... ???
Thats just crazy.
Graham
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Nomad

In US you are allowed to gather in groups by constitution.

just burning the flag could be interpreted as many more bad things than good.

Armed_Blade
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Explain please

Palestinians burn the american flag on every protest.


Because.

http://www.ifamericansknew.org/images/deaths.gif

Because.

http://www.ifamericansknew.org/images/children.gif

Because.

http://www.ifamericansknew.org/images/usaid.gif

Because.

http://www.ifamericansknew.org/images/un.gif

http://www.ifamericansknew.org/images/econ.gif

http://www.ifamericansknew.org/images/settlemnts.gif



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If for any reason my image linking has failed, I'll break it down easy. I don't agree with Palestinians burning flags, but I can hold no contempt for them. Their lives are hell, every peaceful situation they bring about is pulled back -- and then when someone, anyone, who's got nothing left fires a damned rocket another load of Tanks (With American Machinery, Don't worry about anybody over there having to work) roll in to blow the place up.
I've read countless documentaries where America should support Israel due to the Bible saying the Jews should return, Due to the fact they are the only democracy there, and also due to the fact that they can resolve peace through superior firepower? Religiously, that makes no sense. Logically, that means they're going to ethnically cleanse the region. The end result? America supports something unlawful, whether religious intervention is there or not that is obviously not the way any religion talks about pulling it forward -- And American support for Israeli crimes are, infact, tremendous.

I got the images from this link [url=http://www.ifamericansknew.org/]

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Not to float off topic, I'm just saying -- Burning the American flag outside America [In my opinion] is probably not always a declaration of war. As wrong and alienating as it may seem, some people have no other option left. America's the world's only remaining superpower, with lots of influence.
AnaLoGMunKy
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America's the world's only remaining superpower


Not quite, but it works for many ppl to keep that idea going. The fact that is seems china, india, russia and europe are not also vastly influential is due to the image we recieve in the media, just the same way that alot of people think palastine deserves what it gets cos they are suicide bombing israel, but never question WHY they are giving their lives in such a desperate manner. Its all black and white in the media, israel good, palastine bad! Like the title of the link you supplied says... if americans knew.
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OK, it is not right to send a video of a burning American flag into America and also it might not be illegal but I can understand what bloodscum said.

Judge:"[Insert name here] has commited the act of first degree murder. Any response to this [Insert name here]?"
[Insert name here]:"But I didn't like them so I was expressing my opinion which I have a right to do as an American."
Judge:"I see. Case closed, [Insert name here] is hereby found not guilty."
People in courtroom:"WTF!"

usabfb
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burning the flag shouldnt be illegal because of the constitution but those people should be shunned and otherwise treated so badly that they leave the country or issue a public apology.

tomertheking
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palestinians kill each-other

8500 rockets sinse 2001 on israel

every peaceful situation they bring about is pulled back


Now where did you get that?

and then when someone, anyone, who's got nothing left fires a ****ed rocket another load of Tanks (With American Machinery, Don't worry about anybody over there having to work) roll in to blow the place up.


Yeah, 8500 rockets in 8 years is a sertainly not a good reason to bring a tank.

Same could be said: And when someone very poor that has been beaten up by a mob digs and gets a liter of oil from the ground, the US has to bring a regime of tanks and airplanes(mind you, with the best of israeli technology) and bomb that man.

could you bring a chart that reads "killed by the opposite side" and not just "killed". that would take out all the car accidents ect..
BlackMath
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I don't support the burning of the U.S. flag, but it is legal and will be for a long time due to the 1989 case of Texas v. Johnson. I believe the people who burn the flag in public places should at least be charged with disorderly conduct.

Its a form of protest. You can't arrest someone for peaceful protest. If they turn to rioting, than you can arrest them, but thats quite a step up.

You ought to have the right to burn the flag. Anyone who says otherwise and claims to believe in freedom is a hypocrite. You don't support freedom, you support the freedom to share your opinion.
Anti_Hero1317
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Its freedom of speech though i do not condone the burning of a country flag because its not the country thats bad is the people who run it and the people who live in it

Green12324
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Judge:"[Insert name here] has commited the act of first degree murder. Any response to this [Insert name here]?"
[Insert name here]:"But I didn't like them so I was expressing my opinion which I have a right to do as an American."
Judge:"I see. Case closed, [Insert name here] is hereby found not guilty."
People in courtroom:"WTF!"


The problem with that is that by murdering someone you are committing an act of violence, which is illegal. Freedom of speech only extends to peaceful speech.
rafterman
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Its freedom of speech though i do not condone the burning of a country flag because its not the country thats bad is the people who run it and the people who live in it

Without the people a country is just another very big plot of land.
Armed_Blade
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I wrote one hell of a reply, Tomer, but I realized I was thread hijacking. I think I'll open a thread if I feel like it.

Also -- The right to burn the flag is perfect, its peaceful protest. It may be morally disgusting, hurt our nationalistic pride which many of us value much and show an extreme lack of patriotism but... Its still peaceful, not a riot, and should be allowed.

Without the people a country is just another very big plot of land.


Without the people there is no country*
A nation is a group of people working towards a common goal or interest, with their own affairs embellished by their nationalism to be part of a mainstream community as a whole. Not to just live together on a plot of land. This is probably why many of us feel that burning the American flag is a load of BS. Sadly, extreme ways of protest fling like poo across the Globe -- whether its cool or not :S
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