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nichodemus
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Ok heres the deal. There are so many mock/aspiring political parties on Armor Games. Iv'e seen Communist Party, Conservative Party etc But I've yet to see a Fascist one. ( If there is one, well my apologies).

Now moving on to why Im a supporter of Fascism. I don't mean the kind where anti-semitics go around killing innocent Jews. I'm talking Fascism Franco and Mussolini style. Intense nationalism, control of the people (after all, all governments do don't they?), and military might to show you mean business. All the pomp and grandeaur. Oh and censorship of unwanted political material. ( Trust me all forms of government do it in one way or another.) And best of all, Capitalism is accpeted and embraced.

Now I don't want to be labelled a Nazi lover or an intense anti-semitic. In fact I respect them, for all the suffering they have been true and their courage. I believe in equality for all races, except the Martians. Oh yeah and Adam Sandler always cracks me up. To clarify, Fascism does not equal to anti-semitism or hatred of any other race. Hitler hated non-Aryans but Hitler does not equal to Fascism. Mussolini was the founder of modern Fascism.

So if there is no mock up 'Fascist party' on AG I'll create one. If this post does not belong here, scrap it and I'll post it on the tavern.

Anyone offended by this material especially Germans, I do not want hatemail/insults/death threats etc. I am not aiming in creating a Fourth Reich or start a mass genocide.

One last thing. Fascism Rules!

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Communist
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Ahahaahaha! Capitalism exploits you and most people don't even relize it! You are a slave to not the government as in totalitarian communism or fascism, but you're the slave of your fellow countrymen and for what? Because he's got more money? He has more power than you have and is therefore more significant and can order you to do whatever he wants.

Don't get me wrong, capitalism is a great escape from feudalism and a path towards industrialization. But once the country has been very well developed the majority of the people get rather bored with their lives; living next to a machine all their lives until they die. Many people find solace in cheering for wars, barbaric entertainment, and above all, radical changes. Communists, Fascists, Anarchists, Satanists, ect. ect. Are all radicals who seek to completely change societies old ways and flaws.
Fascism seems to correct the &quotroblems" with modern culture and making a state similar to that of the Qin dynasty and ancient Sparta. Anarchy is the belief that we would be freer and better off without a central government, and Communists believe basically in a more organized anarchy with an ideological elite as overseers.
So far, communism has been the most successful yet most costly alternative to capitalism. Fascism might have flourished but was destroyed by the Soviet Union, America, and Brittan.
In all communisms is the best alternative because there are not bigots, no slaves, and no inequalities. There is little racism unlike in capitalism and Fascism. If played correctly, communism is the best way to employ democracy in theory. But then again no one has practiced what Marx proposed.
What my point is is that I see capitalism and fascism as clever ways to make the perfect workers who think they're free. Can you go to work and say " I HATE THIS COMPANY! THE ONLY REASON WHY I WORK HERE IS BECAUSE I HAVE TO SUPPORT AND EX-WIFE AND THREE KIDS!" and not get fired within two weeks for some "unrelated" reason? Of course not! If you don't obey, you starve. The bourgeoisie are the masters who control a mighty whip. The young are suckered in by the appeal of cashflow, but by the time they relize what the adult world is like, it is far too late because of decades of anti-communist propaganda and teh utopian beleif that " if you work harder, you'll have millions". But the problem is that not everyone can be fortunate no matter how hard they work and when that happens, you get gangs and drug trafficers and corrupt government officials.

nichodemus
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So you are suggesting a Communist form of government and a government that controls a market? It's not an issue of morality, it's an issue of survival. The communist world collapsed because of it's senseless economic policies party. Capitalism survived, unless you count the crisis now, by which capitalism still won by 18 years. If the government controls business, the government will become the coporate fat cats.

I will wager alot, if you were one of the rich, you would support capitalism. Communist governments exploit you, just like capitalists, but at least CEOs don't randomly take a gun and shoot their employees. Unlike a communist government.

Communism is selfish in my view. You cannot reach your max potential and earn what you should, you have to conform to people that are too lazy to learn. Everyone is equal. It is unfair, you have to earn as much as a say rubbish collector instead of what you can through your intellectual ability. In that sense, communism contradics itself.

Little racism? Stalin was an-anti Semitic. If you are a Japanese or South Korean in N.K you get killed. And there are no slaves in theory, BUT under virtually all communist governments, the people were little more than dumb muscle for their county's Party members, devoid of any shred of actual political knowledge.

Sigh, again I have to explain that not all kinds of Fascism contain Racism! Just read my blog.

Viva la Fascism!

Oh yeah, in Communism, its kinda hard to arrange a divorce, so you have to say. 'NO! I HAVE TO WORK IN THIS FIELD TO SUPPORT MY WIFE, THREE KIDS AND THE GOVERNMENT!'

nichodemus
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Oh yeah one more thing. Like communism, Fascism has been covered up with trash over the years and fed to young school children, so they have a totally different view of what Fascism actually is.

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Oh yeah one more thing. Like communism, Fascism has been covered up with trash over the years and fed to young school children, so they have a totally different view of what Fascism actually is.


I can see there is a debate going on but this is the only thing I can definitely and completely agree with.
nichodemus
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Mein Kampf isnt the Fascist bible. In fact the word fascism appears twice in the entire book.

This book partially inspired me on studying/supporting fascism.

Liberal Fascism
by Jonah Goldberg

Kinda like an oxymoron to people eh? Thats what I thought at first. Oh and all Hollywood movies on WWII are absolute rubbish to me. Way too one-sided and distorting the facts.

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Oh and all Hollywood movies on WWII are absolute rubbish to me. Way too one-sided and distorting the facts.


Thats because their Hollywood movies. I enver watch a movie expecting to gain some knowledge of the sunbject. WWII movies are for entertainment above education.
nichodemus
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Good, aha more views. Hollywood is stupid and misguided for spreading lies on just about everything.

knight_34
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Thats because their Hollywood movies. I enver watch a movie expecting to gain some knowledge of the sunbject. WWII movies are for entertainment above education.


Hurray! Another person I also agree with!
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I do want to get a bit analytic with the term itself. I had mentioned this before to you, nichodemus, and I wanted to get your thoughts on it. If we are to accept the premise that words only have meaning because we (humans) artificially attach meaning to words, then the term fascism seems to entail what people think it does. It's like going around telling people that racism is a meaningless or defensible word because there biologically is no such thing as race.
Words have a context and meaning that are rooted in cultural experience and I would argue cannot be separated from this context. So is your goal here to have the term some how "understood"? I would argue here that it already is well understood within a given context - as all words must be. Or are you defending a dictatorial style of government that has certain features (such as censorship and military oppression) that define it as fascist?

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@ nichodemus, it's easy to advocate fascism when you have never lived in a fascist regime or been affected by it. One of Greek aunts was tortured and executed in the name of fascism, simply because she opposed the military junta. If you claim then this isn't true fascism, then it seems that an awfully high number of so calkled 'fascist' regimes employ extremely cruel methods.

nichodemus
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My aim through my essay, is to uncover the real meaning of Fascism, show it, instead of what all schools and governments preach everyday. Simple. I want to throw off the belief that ALL fascist governments are bad, will be bad. The west are hypocrites, look at their colonial history. I believe no one will be absolutely won over, but I just can't sit back and watch people heap more dung over Fascism. Many regimes do employ cruel tactics, look at the US. Based on people's limited definition of the term, they would probably called these regimes Fascist too anyway.

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The keyword is extreme. People are just used with the idea that democracy is the best way to rule.


God dammit.
If one side is extremely autocratic, what do you think the other extreme is?

Thats right, democratic...
Drace
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To Moe's response...

The meaning of fascist has now became cannotated with extremely negative meanings. The word has turned into meaning another Nazi Germany. Its classic meaning seems to have been lost. What I believe he is trying to do is restore it.

The same thing has happened with the term "communism". It is now commonly defined as "a totalitarian system of government in which a single authoritarian party controls state-owned means of production". Now the problem is that no supporter of communism , or really and classic text on the subject would defend this term and would instead go with something like "a socioeconomic structure and political ideology that promotes the establishment of an egalitarian, classless, stateless society based on common ownership and control of the means of production and property in general."

FireflyIV
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Many regimes do employ cruel tactics, look at the US


Ironically, the Greek regime I am speaking of, was initially backed by the US.
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I really hope you people mentioned above don't live in my state. I wouldnt want it to be shamed by such ridiculious an off the chart foolish statments...if your reading this an you HONESTLY think all fascism doesnt revolve around corruption an absolute power then appearntly you have never talked to someone who accually lived/lives there like my uncle or my grandfather..you are ungrateful for what your country has done for you and all th soldiers who have died..yes died defending democracy an "the land of the free" from you an your beloved facist countries..

I feel nothing but complete disgust an shame for all of you facists.

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