while we're at it... Let's ban cars since they kill more than guns. Let's ban obesity since it kills more than guns. Let's ban doctors since they kill more than guns. Let's ban smoking since it kills more than guns. Let's ban alcohol since it kills more than guns. Let's ban toxic agents since they kill more than guns. (sad actually)
(Also deaths due to sexual behaviors comes very close to that of guns)
You know what, to tell you the truth, I think I'd rather get killed by a gun then a knife or bat. And criminals always get guns one way or another.
Murder rates of all kinds are much lower in nations where guns are readily available. I would rather fewer people were killed in more primitive painful ways, than more were killed in a relatively painless manner.
A black market would of course remain, however the price of arms and munitions would be much higher, and therefore less affordable to the average crim.
And even if we successfully banned all guns, criminals would just rob people with knives, swords, bats, etc.
This enables the police and security staff at banks, shops etc, to be more readily able to deal with robbers. Still, I haven't exactly seen any robbers with swords round London lately.
Still, I haven't exactly seen any robbers with swords round London lately.
That's what I thought...
A black market would of course remain, however the price of arms and munitions would be much higher, and therefore less affordable to the average crim.
Is it ok to ask how proficient organized crime is in England? In america, billions of dollars is more than enough to buy those things. You see average street gangs with Ak's, even when those kinds of weapons are illegal within city limits. Here, an 'average crim' is more than capable of aquiring low end weaponry.
Is it ok to ask how proficient organized crime is in England? In america, billions of dollars is more than enough to buy those things. You see average street gangs with Ak's, even when those kinds of weapons are illegal within city limits. Here, an 'average crim' is more than capable of aquiring low end weaponry.
Most of the more serious gangs in the UK are localised. Especially in Scotland and Ireland (and to a lesser extent Wales). In England native gangs are definitely the majority of the organised crime scene. However in larger cities with larger immigrant populations there are of course the international mafia types. The Triads and the Russians have a particularly strong foothold in London. More recently there has been an influx of Eastern Europeans resulting in a Polish gang presence. Organised crime, to my knowledge, is much less of a threat in the UK than it is in the US, so I suppose that could be a factor.
The fact remains that these weapons would be more expensive if guns were outlawed, as many of them are bought legitimately and resold illicitly to the wrong people.
Seriously though, I would think it wouuld be obvious. I don't understand why people don't see the corelation between easy to come by weapons and violent crime.
Seriously though, I would think it wouuld be obvious. I don't understand why people don't see the corelation between easy to come by weapons and violent crime.
We aren't blind, we, just like you, are very single minded and therefore see the pros of our selected side and not the cons.
Single minded? Where may I ask have I failed to acknowledge the other side of the argument and address it appropriately? Furthermore if you have just admitted your closed mind on the matter, what is the point of posting at all this being a discussion forum, as nothing will be gained from the exercise?
The fact remains that these weapons would be more expensive if guns were outlawed, as many of them are bought legitimately and resold illicitly to the wrong people.
most weapons are originally shipped in illegally to the united states and then sold to criminals most of the time they're not bought legally and resold
wow yo just chill.... lol I kinda see both sides... Like outlawing guns is stupid cuz its not gonna get rid of crime rates, and not totally get rid of guns... While outlawing them makes guns cost alot more, and to get one is pretty tuff... The fact is there are 2 extremes. One is texas, the other is an imaginary world with no guns. Texas is you shoot first ask questions later... Which is f'cking abserd. Guns to that point should be illegal, and there needs to be a change... With no guns, knives and other home made weapons would be made.. So technically an equal balance would need to be obtained.. No to banning guns, and no to everyone being allowed to have one.
Single minded? Where may I ask have I failed to acknowledge the other side of the argument and address it appropriately? Furthermore if you have just admitted your closed mind on the matter, what is the point of posting at all this being a discussion forum, as nothing will be gained from the exercise?
Trying to make an argument let one see both sides of the argument. I'm in a good mood right now.
[quote]wow yo just chill.... lol I kinda see both sides... Like outlawing guns is stupid cuz its not gonna get rid of crime rates, and not totally get rid of guns... While outlawing them makes guns cost alot more, and to get one is pretty tuff... The fact is there are 2 extremes. One is texas, the other is an imaginary world with no guns. Texas is you shoot first ask questions later... Which is f'cking abserd. Guns to that point should be illegal, and there needs to be a change... With no guns, knives and other home made weapons would be made.. So technically an equal balance would need to be obtained.. No to banning guns, and no to everyone being allowed to have one.
I agree. Banning guns doesn't stop criminals from getting them, but they shouldn't be handed out to anyone either.
Most of you are assuming that its easy to just go out and get an illegal gun. Maybe you should test that theory and tell your findings to the police officer that arrests you.
In order to buy a gun illegally you need to know someone who deals in such things (which most of you won't), you need to trust them enough to hold up a wad of cash in front of them while they hold a gun, and you need to have that wad of cash. Most criminal don't make a lot.
You should not be allowed to get a gun if you have a violent mental disorder
A lot mental disorders can be well controlled with medication and other treatment options. And btw there aren't really any mental disorders that lead straight to violent behavior.
Personally I don't really know where I stand in this. Right now I'm thinking make it harder to get your hands on a gun and government funded mental health help and anger management classes or something like that could help.
Obama is not trying to ban ALL guns. He is trying to ban semi-automatic weapons. Which is fair.
Ya, ok, that's really fair. So all pistols, most ausault rifles, half of the hunting rifles, and every single BB gun or pellet gun. Ya, that's really fair.
As far as I know hunters are allowed armour piercing rounds. Why? Is there just one big moose out in a forrest wearing a bullet-proof jacket saying "bring it on, yo arse is mine!!"
