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skater_kid_who_pwns
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Allright, so here is the background story on this....

Every day at lunch, Me and a few of my freinds have 5 minute debates. We make a topic one day, go home and reaserch it, and defend our points the next day.

So the one that was the most contravercial, was is a harpoon considered a bullet?

Now, I say Yes it is. A bullet by deffinition is a projectial shot from a gun.

So, do you tihnk I am right or wrong?

THERE IS NO RIGHT AWNSER!

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HeavyFree
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Nomad

I wouldn't say so, more of a spear. Bullets are smaller and faster, and shot from a gun. Harpoons aren't, and they are consider to be "Launched" as a bullet is "Shot". And some people call harpoon fishing "Spear fishing".

tennisman24
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Oh my god Zega you need to chill.

I think it is a bullet because if you shoot something it is considered a bullet.

Devoidless
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A is not B
B is not A.

A bullet is not a harpoon.
A harpoon is not a bullet.

And please don't go "But they're both projeeectiiiles." If I took my iPod and whipped it at you, it would be a projectile. If I threw a bullet, it's a projectile. Heck, put me in a catapult and let loose...then I'm a projectile.

Even if you went by the meaning of bullet as a round stone/object let loose from a sling... It's still not a harpoon. Still a projecticle though. But not a harpoon.

Zega
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I think it is a bullet because if you shoot something it is considered a bullet.

Do you think an arrow is a bullet? No, both Harpoons and Arrows are projectiles.
tennisman24
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Yes i think an arrow is a bullet.

And bullets are projetiles right.

Devoidless
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Read my last post. Heck, read my last few posts here.

If, you know, you're not above reading. And like getting answers that make sense.

Mhhm.

Flite
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Yes i think an arrow is a bullet.
And bullets are projetiles right.


A bullet is always a projectile
A projectile is not always a bullet

Therefore

A Harpoon is always a projectile (though may be used as a spear)
A projectile is not always a bullet

This is sort of like how an Isoscelese Triangle is an Equilateral Triangle, but an Equilateral Triangle is not an Isoscelese Triangle.

This is my second arguement.

I.Projectiles
-A.Bullets
--1.Frangible
--2.Non-Expanding
--3.Expanding
-B.Harpoons
(I can not find sub-catagories for harpoons)

There are different types of projectiles, bullets, harpoons, rockets, ect. Then there are different types of bullets and harpoons and ect. Though an Expanding bullet is a bullet, and a non-expanding bullet is a bullet, that does not mean that they are both the same thing. They are both bullets but they are not both expanding bullets. They are not both non-expanding bullets. They are both simply bullets.

Here is a picture. Are these bullets?

http://i42.tinypic.com/29wq05g.jpg

No, they are not bullets. We may call them bullets, but they aren't. They are cartridges.

A harpoon is not a bullet because a bullet is not even what you think it is! A bullet is a part of a cartridge!

http://i44.tinypic.com/2ihaskg.jpg

1-bullet
2-casing
3-gunpowder
4-rim
5-primer

Are these bullets?

http://i39.tinypic.com/2rwpyd1.jpg

No, these are not bullets. These are cartridges. In fact, these cartridges have no bullets. These cartridges use "shot" instead. Don't believe me? Look at the box selling the shotgun cartridges. Do you see the word bullet anywhere on there?

So the question being asked should not be "Is a harpoon a bullet?" but instead should be "Is a harpoon a cartridge?"

Is a harpoon a cartridge? When you ask it like that, then no! It most definately is not!

It has been forever since I last debated something on ArmorGames. : )
Flite
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Sorry, I was mistaken. I think shot is a form of bullets. But still, a harpoon is most obviously not a bullet.

HeavyFree
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Nomad

I think it is a bullet because if you shoot something it is considered a bullet.
By Tennisman24. Did you not read my post?
I wouldn't say so, more of a spear. Bullets are smaller and faster, and shot from a gun. Harpoons aren't, and they are consider to be "Launched" as a bullet is "Shot". And some people call harpoon fishing "Spear fishing".
"Launched", not shot!
HeavyFree
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Nomad

And more facts about this is bullets have powder that makes a tiny explosion for it to be shot.

Bullets have casing before the actual bullet comes out, the powder also helps to take off the casing.

Harpoons, a stick with a metal point at the end that is launched or thrown. And projectiles can be ANYTHING! I can through this laptop at ya, projectile, not a bullet or a harpoon. And how did a topic like this get so intense?

HeavyFree
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Nomad

Some of you don't even know what really a bullet is! Ok, I think I messed up in my last post, about 20% of the bullet is in the casing, and there is powder in the casing making the explosion. And bullets are not part of a cartridge technically because, there is something called "Single shot". You buy them in boxes yes, but they are not always a part of a cartridge, use something like a Glock and they are, but some guns are single shot.

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Harpoons, a stick with a metal point at the end that is launched or thrown. And projectiles can be ANYTHING! I can through this laptop at ya, projectile, not a bullet or a harpoon. And how did a topic like this get so intense?


Harpoons are now usually metal spears. Not sticks with metal points.


I think it is a bullet because if you shoot something it is considered a bullet.


So that means water in water guns are bullets? Nope. Just because you can shoot/launch something with a launcher does not mean it is a bullet.

Flite's diagram that came from Wikipedia shows what consists of a cartridge. Cartridges are not bullets.

And how did a topic like this get so intense?


From people's ignorance and incorrect statements. I never thought many would say that a harpoon is a bullet. Sounds absurd.

Like Flite said, a projectile is not always a bullet. A bolt fired from a crossbow is a projectile. A stone launched from a catapult is a projectile. A javelin thrown by hand is a projectile. A bullet is a projectile. That does not mean that everything that can be classified as projectiles are bullets.

a body projected by external force and continuing in motion by its own inertia ; especially : a missile for a weapon (as a firearm)


The definition of a projectile.
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[quote]If A is B but B is not A,
Then A is not B.


Try to make some sense... Please?
[/quote]
It's just a fallacy. . .not tough to understand.
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A harpoon is not a bullet.
A bullet is not a harpoon.
HeavyFree
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Nomad

Ok, Thisisnotanalt, we've discussed that, okay. And I totally agree with you Knight, and I think we should read the first page:

So, do you tihnk I am right or wrong?

THERE IS NO RIGHT AWNSER!
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And let me correct my spelling
I can through this laptop at ya, projectile, not a bullet or a harpoon.
THROW, not THROUGH, excuse me. I know you knew what I meant but I wanted to clear that. And another clarification, bullets aren't always 20% in, they are sometimes more, depends on the manufacturer. Now my posts are clarified.
HeavyFree
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Nomad

Wow, I made a last check and found 1 last thing I need to clarify: I said that bullets aren't always a part of a cartridge because of single shot, but it is, see, Flite was saying the truth, a bullet is that little thing at the end of, well what you would think the bullet. The entire of what we've mistakenly called the bullet was the whole cartridge, the casing, the powder, and the bottom parts. They all go to shoot the bullet, the bullet is inserted in the casing, which contains the powder while holding the bullet in place, the bottom parts seal up the casing so nothing falls out, and there is a little part wedged between the bottom part of the casing and makes the explosion when the hammer of the gun drops. See? That is as simple as I can put it.

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