ForumsWEPRThe United States was not, is, or will ever be, a Christian nation.

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Yakooza99K
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Because I'm tired of Christians saying that this is a Christian nation...

"Millions of innocent men, women and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined and imprisoned; yet we have not advanced one inch towards uniformity. "

-Thomas Jefferson

"As to Jesus of Nazareth, my Opinion of whom you particularly desire, I think the System of Morals and his Religion, as he left them to us, the best the world ever saw or is likely to see; but I apprehend it has received various corrupt changes, and I have, with most of the present Dissenters in England, some Doubts as to his divinity; tho' it is a question I do not dogmatize upon, having never studied it, and I think it needless to busy myself with it now, when I expect soon an Opportunity of knowing the Truth with less Trouble...."

-Benjamin Franklin

From the Treaty of Tripoli:

"Art. 11. As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquility, of Mussulmen; and, as the said States never entered into any war, or act of hostility against any Mahometan nation, it is declared by the parties, that no pretext arising from religious opinions, shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries."

"Congress shall make no law respecting the establishment of religion"

-US Constitution, First Amendment


So please, stop saying the US is Christian.

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BigP08
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Gee, I'm sorry. It's not a Christian nation. It just is 77% Christian (http://www.gallup.com/poll/117409/Easter-Smaller-Percentage-Americans-Christian.aspx). Happy?

sourwhatup2
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It is about 70% christian o.O''

DDX
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The United States is not a Christian nation, rather it is a Christian majority nation. The US is a melting pot of cultures and therefore has no affiliation towards one religion. But with the 2008 United States census, the amount of non-catholic Christians have risen to 50.9% of the United States, and Catholics with 25.1% (these are the adult population) The United States is a Christian majority nation, but not a Christian Nation in itself.

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I agree that in some areas the church and state need to be separated, but in others, they need to be close. One area is the public school system, though not too much. Right now, public schoolers are not allowed to wear christian crosses, but are allowed any other symbols from any other religion. Another area where the church needs to be is in the abortion and freedom of choice act.

BigP08
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What exactly is the thread question? Should there be a separation of Church and State, is US a Christian nation, or is this just another Christian vs Atheism thread? We've got enough of those. Since the US doesn't take a religious standpoint, then it is not a (insert ANY religion here) nation. Most Americans are Christians, even if you're not, it's just a fact.

Blkasp
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You might as well call it a Christian nation.. 77% Christian I think you could call that a Christian nation.

I guess.

FireflyIV
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I think what Yakooza99k was trying to get at was that it is not an institutionally Christian nation. Christianity may be the most poplar religion, but the way the government works is not affected by religion-it's secular.

Snakebite
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It's not a Christian nation eh? What about the Declaration of Independence? The founding fathers cited 27[b] Biblical violations, that gave them the bounds to separate from England.

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While the nature of a democracy is based on the opinions of the majority, and the majority of the population is of a christian belief, it does not make the United States of America a christian nation any more then it makes it a 'white' nation.

Figures from a 2006 census put 74% or 221.3 million citizens of the U.S.A. as white.

The nature of the instrinsic freedoms available & the constitution of the U.S.A. make it such that it does not have any official affiliation with *any* religious group.

Bit of an inflammatory post if you ask me, but I'd agree with the statement.

Yakooza99K
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It's not a Christian nation eh? What about the Declaration of Independence? The founding fathers cited 27[b] Biblical violations, that gave them the bounds to separate from England.


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silentclore
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This country was built under God but you have the right to believe whatever you want.

DDX
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exactly, which is why many people come to the US to escape religious prosecution.

paintballer222
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What about william penn the quakers they came here to have religiose freedom. There first rule: If men were seen in the Lord's eyes as the same then they shoul all be seen in teh eyes of the law the same (something like that). What about The Great Aewakening I and II with George whitefield 1730-1760 Almost everyone became a christain then. The first public schools were made so they could train children into becoming ministers.

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The separatist were a group of eople who wanted to seerate from the church of England and worship the one tru God they first moved to holland BUt when they heard that of the Colony Jamestown in America They asked King JAmes If they could go and start a colony. He gave them permission They sailed in 1620 on the Mayflower They started their colony Plymoth.

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well actually the U.S has its certain ways (well at least when it was under Bush's administration) to make everyone conform to the same laws... This of course included religion. The US was built under Catholism.. so was Canada.. Yea there are special quotes saying what the presidents wanted for their country... but it is to everyone's understand (well should be to everyones understanding) that U.S's foundation was built underneath the Catholic Church. Britain and France helped in the colonialization of the United States and Africa, both very Catholic countries.. In fact the Church had most land, was in charge of taxes, and had many laws to govern through out the land. They were in fact some of the men who did help govern our societies (canada and US's) during the early days... I'm sorry to say but our countries are based upon Catholicism.... No matter how much you want to disagree what your saying is a pretty big lie, and your just slapping those people who helped make ur country wat it is today in the face. The fact is the majority of the U.S is Catholic as well and other countries, if not the world believes that ur a catholic state... Which again is true. Look at the facts here:
-founded upon the catholic church
-over 50% of population is Catholic
-Most presidents need to be catholic in order to get majority of vote
-Women couldn't be presidents because of how the catholic church treated women, saying how they can't be workers and priests and such...

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