ForumsWEPRThe United States was not, is, or will ever be, a Christian nation.

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Yakooza99K
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Because I'm tired of Christians saying that this is a Christian nation...

"Millions of innocent men, women and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined and imprisoned; yet we have not advanced one inch towards uniformity. "

-Thomas Jefferson

"As to Jesus of Nazareth, my Opinion of whom you particularly desire, I think the System of Morals and his Religion, as he left them to us, the best the world ever saw or is likely to see; but I apprehend it has received various corrupt changes, and I have, with most of the present Dissenters in England, some Doubts as to his divinity; tho' it is a question I do not dogmatize upon, having never studied it, and I think it needless to busy myself with it now, when I expect soon an Opportunity of knowing the Truth with less Trouble...."

-Benjamin Franklin

From the Treaty of Tripoli:

"Art. 11. As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquility, of Mussulmen; and, as the said States never entered into any war, or act of hostility against any Mahometan nation, it is declared by the parties, that no pretext arising from religious opinions, shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries."

"Congress shall make no law respecting the establishment of religion"

-US Constitution, First Amendment


So please, stop saying the US is Christian.

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Deth666
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well actually the U.S has its certain ways (well at least when it was under Bush's administration) to make everyone conform to the same laws... This of course included religion. The US was built under Catholism.. so was Canada.. Yea there are special quotes saying what the presidents wanted for their country... but it is to everyone's understand (well should be to everyones understanding) that U.S's foundation was built underneath the Catholic Church. Britain and France helped in the colonialization of the United States and Africa, both very Catholic countries.. In fact the Church had most land, was in charge of taxes, and had many laws to govern through out the land. They were in fact some of the men who did help govern our societies (canada and US's) during the early days... I'm sorry to say but our countries are based upon Catholicism.... No matter how much you want to disagree what your saying is a pretty big lie, and your just slapping those people who helped make ur country wat it is today in the face. The fact is the majority of the U.S is Catholic as well and other countries, if not the world believes that ur a catholic state... Which again is true. Look at the facts here:
-founded upon the catholic church
-over 50% of population is Catholic
-Most presidents need to be catholic in order to get majority of vote
-Women couldn't be presidents because of how the catholic church treated women, saying how they can't be workers and priests and such...


Well the US Government is supposed to represent the majority of the people and want what the majority of the people want as such the government wants what most Christians want since the majority of America is christian but its not a Christian Nation despite what others think

I don't know where your getting your facts but the only US president that was catholic was John F. Kennedy and there was a big fuss about it he almost didn't get elected because of it and the US was not founded by or on the catholic church most Americans came to America to escape religious persecution by the catholic church
Zootsuit_riot
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It's not a Christian nation eh? What about the Declaration of Independence? The founding fathers cited 27[b] Biblical violations, that gave them the bounds to separate from England.


And what about the first line of the first amendment of the United States Constitution?

Congress shall make no law respecting the establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;
BigP08
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What is this whole debate about? No, it's not a Christian nation since we have freedom of religion, but it's 77% Christian so it might as well be. Everyone happy?

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Everyone happy?


No. Government should remain secular. Theocratic systems of government are anachronistic and ineffective.
BigP08
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No. Government should remain secular. Theocratic systems of government are anachronistic and ineffective.
Good thing we don't have that kind of government. Government is secular from theocracy in the US. Christians make the decisions of how to vote is what I'm saying. Now everyone happy?
FireflyIV
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I guess I misread what you meant by Christian country. Personally I feel religion should play no role whatsoever in government, sadly however, it's impossible to succeed in US politics without being Christian.

BigP08
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I agree. Also, just read my last post, and it was kind of rude. Hope you didn't take offense, I was just making a point.

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the united states of americaq is a boiling pot. we have mor than 1 race but the most common religion in the U.S is christianity.

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You can point to all of the statements of neutrality you want, but it cannot be disputed that Christianity has affected U.S. history in myriad, major ways.

1. The US has had and still has a majority of people who profess to be of the Christian faith. To the extent of their salvation I cannot testify, but even unto this day the evangelical right is a potent political force.
2. From the opening of the colonies, religion was a massively important form of identity for each one. Some colonies such as Rhode Island or Pennsylvania offered large freedom of religion, while others, particularly in New England, were highly Puritan.
3. Christianity had an enormous influence on the abolition of slavery, the Civil Rights Movement, Prohibition, and anti-immigration measures, to name the good, the bad, and the ugly.
4. The Great Awakenings, both the first and the second were massively influential to the American identity.
5. We have a separation of church and state for the most part. We have maintained that separation since the creation of this nation. As I have said though, the Christian right has been and continues to be a powerful force in politics.

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It depends on your definition of 'Christian Nation.'

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1. The US has had and still has a majority of people who profess to be of the Christian faith. To the extent of their salvation I cannot testify, but even unto this day the evangelical right is a potent political force.
2. From the opening of the colonies, religion was a massively important form of identity for each one. Some colonies such as Rhode Island or Pennsylvania offered large freedom of religion, while others, particularly in New England, were highly Puritan.
3. Christianity had an enormous influence on the abolition of slavery, the Civil Rights Movement, Prohibition, and anti-immigration measures, to name the good, the bad, and the ugly.
4. The Great Awakenings, both the first and the second were massively influential to the American identity.
5. We have a separation of church and state for the most part. We have maintained that separation since the creation of this nation. As I have said though, the Christian right has been and continues to be a powerful force in politics.



Pretty much says it all. And does it really matter if it is a Christian nation? Freedom of religion?

the united states of americaq is a boiling pot. we have mor than 1 race but the most common religion in the U.S is christianity.


You mean melting pot....
KamikazeKraut
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just because 70 or 77 or idk percent are christian, doesn't mean we are a christian nation. the 33 percent left would be pretty p.o.ed.

Deth666
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And does it really matter if it is a Christian nation? Freedom of religion?


took the words right out of my mouth i mean if you wanna join a religion that revolves around breakfast and pray to Johnny Appleseed you can (please join we only have 3 members all hail Johnny Appleseed!!)
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Saying that the US is a Christian Nation is like saying it's a Human Nation. There is too many varieties of Christianity to make this a valid argument. You might as well say the US is a Religious Nation.

Yakooza99K
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I think you're all forgetting that our founding fathers were deists, some of them even spoke out *against* christianity.

Sure, the decleration named a creator, but it did not mention god, or christianity, or anything of the sort.

"All men are created equal, and they are endowed by their creator with certain inalienable rights, among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness."

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