Religion is a lifestyle, chosen by you. If you don't like religion, then don't believe, if you are a religious person, then believe. Just do this without trying to force your opinion down on others.
They choose the way they want to live not you, and if they are christian then so be it, it's not going to affect you in any way. You are not going to change the way they run their life by posting on the armor games forums, if you want to make a difference go be a politician.
I just think it's sad, how people just can't respect one another like they used to. I know this is a debate forum, but isn't is possible to debate while also being friendly at the same time? This is all I ask for, a friendly forum. Thank you,
Saying religion doesn't affect you is a ridiculous claim.
if you want to make a difference go be a politician.
I'd say it's almost impossible to become a successful politician in America without being openly Christian.
I'd agree that the forums aren't always friendly, but why should they be? As long as people aren't breaking the rules, I don't see what's wrong with a little adversarial discussion.
It is because, there are some people who can't accept other religions. It is just how they were brought up.
I agree. I think it's possible to exist in a world that contains multiple religions. If you think your religion is the only right one, then just take satisfaction in the fact that you believe it. Everyone has their opinions, and you don't need to run around changing others.
Saying religion doesn't affect you is a ridiculous claim.
I'm saying the religion you believe in doesn't affect those around you. Of course your religion affects your own lifestyle though.
I'd say it's almost impossible to become a successful politician in America without being openly Christian.
Sorry, I think I didn't make my point clear enough, my point was that nobody is going to listen to some random person the the armor games forums for lifestyle choices. Sorry for the confusion.
I'd agree that the forums aren't always friendly, but why should they be? As long as people aren't breaking the rules, I don't see what's wrong with a little adversarial
It's not a matter of rules, it's a matter of respect. Debates are always much more enjoyable when you don't insult another persons life. Just because they aren't the same as you, doesn't make them a bad person.
I'm saying the religion you believe in doesn't affect those around you. Of course your religion affects your own lifestyle though.
The religion of others does affect you, in numerous ways, which is why some people get tetchy about it.
Sorry, I think I didn't make my point clear enough, my point was that nobody is going to listen to some random person the the armor games forums for lifestyle choices. Sorry for the confusion.
In that case what is the point in having a discussion forum at all? I'd say 99% of the topics made here affect absolutely nothing in the real world, but that's not the point.
It's not a matter of rules, it's a matter of respect. Debates are always much more enjoyable when you don't insult another persons life. Just because they aren't the same as you, doesn't make them a bad person.
I'd agree that respect is somewhat lacking in some discussions, but that's the nature of a forum like this. Personalities and beliefs are bound to clash, and it won't always be respectful. That's just the way it is.
Just because you want everyone to get along and not bitter when it comes to a subject such as religion does not mean it is going to happen.
The cycle of hate has been going on for thousdands of years. This religion hates this one for some reason, that religion hates this idea for some reason, the nonreligious people are around and religious people hate them causing the nonreligous people to get angreh...
Every time religion is brought up it is akin to throwing a torch ontop of a dry pile of tinder. Does not mean things will flame up, but it almost always does.
The religion of others does affect you, in numerous ways, which is why some people get tetchy about it.
Actually, it's just a lifestyle choice in which you believe in, the only way it affects you is if high ranking government officials oppress their religion on you, which has not happened yet. YOU choose whether you believe or not, don't let others choose for you.
In that case what is the point in having a discussion forum at all? I'd say 99% of the topics made here affect absolutely nothing in the real world, but that's not the point.
The point is to share yours, and view others opinions on the matter at hand, but by doing so you don't need to insult others.
I'd agree that respect is somewhat lacking in some discussions, but that's the nature of a forum like this. Personalities and beliefs are bound to clash, and it won't always be respectful. That's just the way it is.
That's the problem I am talking about, the forums don't need to be like that, they could be friendly to those who wish to speak their opinions instead of insulting every word they say.
Just because you want everyone to get along and not bitter when it comes to a subject such as religion does not mean it is going to happen.
The cycle of hate has been going on for thousdands of years. This religion hates this one for some reason, that religion hates this idea for some reason, the nonreligious people are around and religious people hate them causing the nonreligous people to get angreh...
Every time religion is brought up it is akin to throwing a torch ontop of a dry pile of tinder. Does not mean things will flame up, but it almost always does.
That is the problem I am addressing, this is more of a topic I created to show my rage at this kind of stuff, and to hope that at least somebody will listen, because if somebody starts to respect another persons opinions because of this, even one person, then I did my job. The point of this topic was not to completely revolutionize the forums.
if you want to make a difference go be a politician.
LOL!
But to the topic at hand. Like most people that shit talk religion it is aimed at who you have aimed your posts at. The people that force it down other peoples throats. Mind you this happens just as often with religious people towards athiests. Example some group of redneck fuck heads from America bothered to come all the way to Australia and "rotested" at the funerals/ main memorial for the victims of our recent bush fires stating that it's our punishment for accepting homosexuality.
Or, an example that goes both ways is, like you said these forums which are full of lots of decent people, but also the jackasses that know "EVERYTHING"
But to the topic at hand. Like most people that **** talk religion it is aimed at who you have aimed your posts at. The people that force it down other peoples throats. Mind you this happens just as often with religious people towards athiests. Example some group of redneck **** heads from America bothered to come all the way to Australia and "rotested" at the funerals/ main memorial for the victims of our recent bush fires stating that it's our punishment for accepting homosexuality.
Or, an example that goes both ways is, like you said these forums which are full of lots of decent people, but also the *******es that know "EVERYTHING"
The politician part was a figure of speech =(. I also understand that this applies to everything, and not just christianity, which is why I have not stated what I have believed in yet, and won't. But yeah, I do get the jest of your post and can agree with most of it.
Actually, it's just a lifestyle choice in which you believe in, the only way it affects you is if high ranking government officials oppress their religion on you, which has not happened yet. YOU choose whether you believe or not, don't let others choose for you.
Religion affects everyone, whether you like it or not. That's why it's such a hot issue.
The point is to share yours, and view others opinions on the matter at hand, but by doing so you don't need to insult others.
By sharing my opinion on religion I am bound to insult some people, even if I phrase my words in a respectful manner.
That's the problem I am talking about, the forums don't need to be like that, they could be friendly to those who wish to speak their opinions instead of insulting every word they say.
Why shouldn't the forums be like that? As long as it doesn't go against the rules of the site?
Religion affects everyone, whether you like it or not. That's why it's such a hot issue.
You just believe it affects everyone, if you just got passed your religion bias you would understand that religion no longer affects todays societies. Please give me an example of your opinion so I can understand where you are coming from.
By sharing my opinion on religion I am bound to insult some people, even if I phrase my words in a respectful manner.
As long as you share your opinion without invalidating another persons, then you did the right thing, and the other person would have to reason be insulted.
Why shouldn't the forums be like that? As long as it doesn't go against the rules of the site?
Why shouldn't we just call everyone names as long as it isn't against the law? Just because something isn't against the rules, doesn't mean you should do it. There is a line between rules and respect.
You just believe it affects everyone, if you just got passed your religion bias you would understand that religion no longer affects todays societies. Please give me an example of your opinion so I can understand where you are coming from.
I don't have a bias against religion, I just think it's wrong to say it doesn't affect people.
Take for example my brother, who is a social worker in a very religious part of London. Mny of the children he works with come from religious families. These religious ideals and values have been passed onto them. However in many cases, these values clash with cultural expectations and behaviours. This makes my brother's job inifinitely more difficult as he has to asses how best to handle the conflicts of values between religion and UK law.
As long as you share your opinion without invalidating another persons, then you did the right thing, and the other person would have to reason be insulted.
No matter how politely one states their opinion, there is bound to be someone offended by it, that was the point I was trying to make, but I see your point.
Why shouldn't we just call everyone names as long as it isn't against the law? Just because something isn't against the rules, doesn't mean you should do it. There is a line between rules and respect.
Still, you haven't given me a reason why I should always be polite. It's not respectful doesn't cut it. People are entitled to say what they want, as long as what they say isn't against the rules. If people get insulted by it, so be it. It's like giving people freedom of speech and adding a clause forcbidding saying what could be construed as disrespectful. In my opinion, it's not too big of an issue on here anyway.
You just believe it affects everyone, if you just got passed your religion bias you would understand that religion no longer affects todays societies. Please give me an example of your opinion so I can understand where you are coming from.
It is the religious social conservatives that are really throwing a wrench in the wheels of progress. Look at some of the major social issues that are affecting lots of people just in this country: abortion, stem cell research, gay and lesbian rights. The predominant arguments take place in the religious sphere. If the evangelical movement had not been so predominant and religious dissent towards embryos somehow being precious to god, we likely would have cured some serious auto immune disorders by now.
