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I don't have a bias against religion, I just think it's wrong to say it doesn't affect people.

Take for example my brother, who is a social worker in a very religious part of London. Mny of the children he works with come from religious families. These religious ideals and values have been passed onto them. However in many cases, these values clash with cultural expectations and behaviours. This makes my brother's job inifinitely more difficult as he has to asses how best to handle the conflicts of values between religion and UK law.

No matter how politely one states their opinion, there is bound to be someone offended by it, that was the point I was trying to make, but I see your point.

Still, you haven't given me a reason why I should always be polite. It's not respectful doesn't cut it. People are entitled to say what they want, as long as what they say isn't against the rules. If people get insulted by it, so be it. It's like giving people freedom of speech and adding a clause forcbidding saying what could be construed as disrespectful. In my opinion, it's not too big of an issue on here anyway.

The predominant arguments take place in the religious sphere.

It is the religious social conservatives that are really throwing a wrench in the wheels of progress. Look at some of the major social issues that are affecting lots of people just in this country: abortion, stem cell research, gay and lesbian rights. The predominant arguments take place in the religious sphere. If the evangelical movement had not been so predominant and religious dissent towards embryos somehow being precious to god, we likely would have cured some serious auto immune disorders by now.

I can see where your coming from, and I can see the problem your brother faces, but I really don't know a good solution to that problem since I live in America (Darn americans!) where religion is usually not held back by law. I guess I have no choice but to agree with you until I do some research!

I never said you had to be polite, i'm saying it's the right thing to do. If you don't want to be respectful then that's your problem. I'm not trying to force you to be a good person.

I'mma going to jump into the middle of this all.

Respect: It is a given that all debates here should be respectful. Yet that does not mean they will not offend some people or make them upset. Such is the way of life. In theory, I could say -anything- respectfuly no matter what the subject. I stick to the "If you would not say it to your grandmother in person, do not say it."

If people come here expecting -not- to feel a little outraged, upset or the like then they should not be here. That is why people debate: They feel strongly for one side of a topic or another.

Now that all of that is taken care of...carry on.

Lol. Darn Americans indeed. But the more specific case I was reffering to were for example, female children from mainly Pakistani Muslim families not being allowed to go to school for religious reasons by their parents. I'm not 100% sure, but I am pretty sure that's against US law too, although correct me if I'm wrong on that.

Can I just say that I do try to be polite and respectful, but I am just arguing for the right to be disrespectful. Good manners cost nothing is an adage I try to abide by, but I don't think it's reasonable to expect people to be respectful most of the time, especially when it comes to things like religion. Look at how many wars have been fought for religious reasons over the years.

say it."I'mma going to jump into the middle of this all.

Respect: It is a given that all debates here should be respectful. Yet that does not mean they will not offend some people or make them upset. Such is the way of life. In theory, I could say -anything- respectfuly no matter what the subject. I stick to the "If you would not say it to your grandmother in person, do not

If people come here expecting -not- to feel a little outraged, upset or the like then they should not be here. That is why people debate: They feel strongly for one side of a topic or another.

Now that all of that is taken care of...carry on.

There...is a fine line between "trying not to offend" and "using the kid gloves."

I will admit that I am rather blunt. Things I say may or may not offend people because I do not go out of my way to be either/or. I just lay it out in the most base form because otherwise I feel as if part of the impact is lost. And as we all know, impact is a major part of debates.

Now, intentionally trying to offend someone is just...dumb. XD
And totally different.

There...is a fine line between "trying not to offend" and "using the kid gloves."

I will admit that I am rather blunt. Things I say may or may not offend people because I do not go out of my way to be either/or. I just lay it out in the most base form because otherwise I feel as if part of the impact is lost. And as we all know, impact is a major part of debates.

Now, intentionally trying to offend someone is just...dumb. XD
And totally different.

Religion will be a major factor in society and effect EVERYONE directly for quite a while. Religion is a psychological construct, and human's brains are basically hard-wired to believe in a higher power and/or creator. Therefore, as long as humans have human brains. religion WILL effect society. And there are some people who take their religion so seriously that any opinion that contradicts their religion would be deeply offensive to them. Their will be unintentional and intentional offense of religion as long as humans have human brains. Connotation is too widespread in people's minds these days. Emotion doesn't carry well over the internet. This is a deadly combination; there WILL be a lot of misconstrued statements in these forums, and that's inescapable. It's not necessarily 'religion hate' as you call it, but most likely a misconstrued statement. I admit, I have seen people say things (err. . .type them) that would be offensive. Saying things like 'there is something wrong with atheists as humans' (grammar and spelling corrected) and 'religion is something to be ridiculed and be taken seriously only as a threat.' everyone is entitled to these opinions, though the wording can be a bit acidic. People need to work on the phrasing a bit, but there is no 'religious hate' as you call it.

hmm how to put this...Example: Mormons build a cathedral or church whatever in rome aka the heart of the catholic religion. Its not very personal its just catholics believe different then mormons, and they ridicule that their religion is a bunch of nothing because some guy claims that he had a vision? Wheres the proof? mormons defend that and it turns into an argument.

Its never gonna end. The muslims will always hate the christians, vice versa

âBut I say to you who hear, Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you,
Luke27

Most people find that hard to work with

Why do you say that? A lot of people are intolerant of gays, not just ultra-conservatives. A lot of people also oppose stem cell research for non-religious reasons (ie, they think it won't produce results). And while I would call abortion a moral issue, I wouldn't say it is a religious one necessarily.

The fact is that the Roman Catholic Church in the past, any opposition it encounted, it kind of... got rid of it It's obviously not plausible for the vatican to institute another inquisition movement.

Obviously moving into a post-modernist society, where people start believing whatever they think is true for them, and not what the church is telling them; the church loses power. The church has always had the power to act conservative on all issues, because of its tight connection with government.

Whether anyone likes it or not, religion is a source of law (along with others). Whilst they no longer have the ability to control the issues they comment on, they still have an genuine concern from a religious standpoint, which isn't fair to be dismissed simply because it's from a religious institution.

i agree too! i mean, why cant there be peace in this world of hate?

I guess I can see your point, and can understand that religion does affect those around you, such as not being able to wear turbans to school, if that is what you were refering to. Of course, christian children don't need to wear a cross around their neck all the time, so I see no reason for muslims to have to wear turbans. (Unless there is a part of their religion I am leaving out?)

I can tell you are trying to be polite and respectful from your posts, and I am not insulted in the least bit.
I can also see why you don't expect people to be respectful all the time, but it's still good to be respectful yourself, even when other aren't.

As for religious wars, those are for fanatics who don't have an open mind to other peoples religions.