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Title tweaked to gain your attention, but I've omitted one important detail- the doctor ran one of the few legal late-term abortion clinics in the US.

Here's the reference article:

Kansas abortion doc killed in Church

Before I begin, I'll state for the record that while I acknowledge the complexities of debates on abortion and the intrinsic insufficiency in attempts to delineate what should be deemed a legal right and what is murder, I am not fond of the rhetoric nor the actions of pro-life activists. This would serve as a good example why.

It has certainly not escaped anybody's notice that the shooting occured in Church. I will go further to point out the hypocrisy in using murder to purportedly prevent or denounce that which is deemed murder, though this should be entirely clear to you already!

It has furthermore not escaped the notice of the author of the article linked to earlier that despite being a &quoteaceful" organisation, the founder of pro-life activist group "Operation Rescue" could not resist the opportunity to air his hostile (and insensitive) views. And look, even Westboro Baptist Church got in on the action!

Therefore it is my hope that despite the significant loss to womens' health services that this signifies, that this event may elevate Dr. Tiller to a state of martyrdom, thus strengthening the momentum of (for lack of a better term) morally liberal movements.

Over to you guys!

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Royadin
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why do people discuse things if they won't even consider thinking about the opposing theory..???? I wish I could lock this thread..


oh well.. Don't insult, think about the discussion open minded... you should say at the beginning of your post:

I am willing to think about your point of view,
or

I am A stubborn mule and I am not going to think about it only I will insult your way of thinking and hurt you and spam.. yes... oh well...

the truth is, is that no one really knows why he was shot, and we probably won't know for a long time... eh..

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Oh yes, open minded discussions.
*deep breath*
We should not discuss if abortion is killing or not. We should discuss if it really is that fair for a man to be shot because of what he does for a living (whatever it might be).
It seems to be the proper approach, all the rest is details that makes the discussion turn into an argument.

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Royadin. . .you are not a moderator.

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You may post like nothing ever happened.

Maverick4
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Ask yourself the million dollar question about that subject - Why?
Wanna know why? They have great reasons why.


If i murdered somebody, so i could get a promotion in my job, thats a great reason, atleast to me. Does that make it right? Its a great reason for me, but not to the guy im gonna kill.

(im asking if it is RIGHT, not compairing it to abortion)
FireflyIV
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So you should get away with anything as long as you think you are right. Horrible logic.

Maverick4
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you dont even understand what im playing at...

thoadthetoad
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If i murdered somebody, so i could get a promotion in my job, thats a great reason, atleast to me. Does that make it right?

No, wanna know why? Because that person had a chance to not be miserable, to not feel like nothing. A fetus knows one thing you know, and that is the inside of their mother's womb. A human has experiences, friends, and a life. A fetus does not.
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you dont even understand what im playing at...


Gotta go with thoadthetoad on this one. It's a poor logic trap. Yes, the abortion doctor kills people because it's good for his career.

As toad said though, there's a huge difference between an adult human and a foetus that is incapable of complex thought & action.
Maverick4
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i probaly sound really socialist on this one but...

doesnt everyone deserve a chance? i mean what if a baby was aborted because the mother coulndnt support it. ok lets say about a month after, she inherits a large sum of maney and can support the baby.

highly improbable, but theres still a chance. every body deserves a chance at life. some times you win some times you dont. but theres always a chance

thisisnotanalt
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if a baby was aborted


stop using emotional appeals
HiddenDistance
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Well, there's a chance too that Osama Bin Laden will televise to the world that he's really sorry, and that Al Qaeda is going to stop bombing people, and that they were wrong. It's not likely... the probability isn't very high.

Yeah, there's a chance alright, I'll give you that.

Here's a question for you though:

A group of soldiers are ordered by their general to burn down a village & kill everyone there.

Who's reponsible for the villagers deaths, the soldiers who have to obey orders, or the general?

Cenere
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highly improbable, but theres still a chance. every body deserves a chance at life. some times you win some times you dont. but theres always a chance

A tiny, tiny chance. Some gamble, some do not. Would you really gamble with another person's life?
Try Russian Roulette, much more direct.
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Who's reponsible for the villagers deaths, the soldiers who have to obey orders, or the general?

Not that this is really in response to anything other than the quote above (I know what the analogy is for), but wouldn't they both be responsible?
Anyway, people, the discussion is about the doctor's death, not his career. There's a perfectly good abortion thread right here.
Enter at your own risk >
dudeguy45
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They state he was doing things way worse behind those doors than what was done to him. I think people should do what they want to.

Cenere
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Anyway, people, the discussion is about the doctor's death, not his career. There's a perfectly good abortion thread right here.

I tried, it seemingly failed > >...
But yes.
I still cannot figure out why people kill other people. And especially people they do not know. At all.
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