Well there are things which the humans can't explain with their mathematical calculations and with their average brains so they said " those thigs we can't explain have to be magical or something like that" and so they.."invented" god
Well there are things which the humans can't explain with their mathematical calculations and with their average brains
Yet. There are things we can't explain yet. No need to fill the hole with 'god'.
I mean, thunder, clouds, rain, plagues, earthquakes, the sun rising & setting. These were all things that had been attributed to a god or gods - but we know better now. Just because we have some things left to discover doesn't mean we should point a finger at an imaginary deity & believe that it's anymore the truth now, as it was way back when people thought those other things were god.
My theory, straight up, is that people to which the notion of a God is presented find that it can fulfill an important role in their lives, and so they decide to take up belief in that notion.
Yeah, I get that. I definitely don't fit in with that theory. When I was 17 I wanted god to fulfill an important role in my life but.. I couldn't believe it & keep it as a part of my life. Whether that's just me as an individual... *shrugs*
I understand how people believe in god, there are plenty of reasons although none of them are usually proveable.
If someone could clarify a few thigns for me about religion I would be :
1. How come if someone wants to be a good follower of god they have to obey all kinds of rules.
2. If god always loves you, why can't you break the rules and still be a good follower?
3. How come whenever a good thing happens god gets credit for making a miracle, but whenever something bad happens god had nothing to do with it?
I don't want a flame war more than anyone else, but these are jsut aspects of religion that confuse me and thats why I choose to stay away from it. But that's just me.
2. If god always loves you, why can't you break the rules and still be a good follower?
You can. Ask for forgiveness. You'll find out that most Catholics don't give a crap about the rules. And they aren't rules or laws, therefore we don't really have to follow them.
I'd also like to point out to those that say there is no proof that God exists, that there is no proof he doesn't exist either. They are theories, not stone cold scientific laws.
Proof or no proof it's a persons choice to believe or not believe. All are entitled to thier beliefs and all are entitled to discuss and debate those beliefs. I tend to fit more with Hidden's perspective (though I am not absolutely certain there is no god). I only know that my views on other issues make it impossible to accept God as "He" is expressed by Christian faiths. In fact I'm realitively certain that if there is a god or gods, it or they (yes it not "he" probably looks at most organized religions and thinks "What the heck are all these people talking about?". I mean no offense to those who are compelled to pursue a religious lifestyle, in fact I sometimes envy the certainty with which it allows them to lead their lives (though not enough to be willing to set aside my opinions and accept religion).
1. How come if someone wants to be a good follower of god they have to obey all kinds of rules.
How come if someone wants to be a good student of school they have to obey all kinds of rules? I don't mean that sarcastically or rudely, but to be a good follower you have to at least try to obey the rules.
2. If god always loves you, why can't you break the rules and still be a good follower? You can. Ask for forgiveness. You'll find out that most Catholics don't give a crap about the rules. And they aren't rules or laws, therefore we don't really have to follow them.
This is a good explanation, but I don't understand what the stab at Catholicism is. I'm Catholic, and I give a crap about the rules. I think many religious followers might not care about the rules, not just Catholics. There are those that care and those that don't.
3. How come whenever a good thing happens god gets credit for making a miracle, but whenever something bad happens god had nothing to do with it?
You make a valid point, but the way I see it, if there was no bad, what God did wouldn't be good. So God does good in comparison to what already happens. If he stops all the bad, what he does isn't good.
I don't want a flame war more than anyone else, but these are jsut aspects of religion that confuse me and thats why I choose to stay away from it. But that's just me.
I understand. Some people can get way too touchy on this subject, but you made some valid questions. Hopefully I've helped a little bit.
Just heard that they want to make a game show where 10 Atheist go into a room with a Christian Priest, Rabbi, Muslim Imam, and a Buddhist Monk. And then the Believers try to convert the Atheist. It's F*cking Bull-sh*t, It's not in America though, hooray for that.
I'd also like to point out to those that say there is no proof that God exists, that there is no proof he doesn't exist either. They are theories, not stone cold scientific laws.
Yeah CaptainSamoa, but scientists aren't the ones that need to disprove god - we're not the ones making the extraordinary claim, religion is. The responsibility of the burden of proof does not lie with the athiest.
It's just like if you claim you can make a spoon levitate with the power of your mind. I can't *disprove* that you can do it, but making the claim that spoon levitation is something a human can't do is not a stretch by any means. Similarly, making the claim that there is no such thing as an all powerful being that exists outside of time and space that created the universe, the earth, and all life on it, and is omnipotent and omnipresent (if this really is the case, why do we need to bother praying anyway? He already knows what you want) and all-powerful. It's going to need something a little more hefty in the way of evidence then "I read it in a book that was written 2000 years ago."
I've never seen a thread or discussion where someone doesn't bring up proving a negative in the case of god, and I've never seen a believer who understands how science and the burden of proof works.
if this really is the case, why do we need to bother praying anyway? He already knows what you want
HiddenDistance, while what you say in the rest of your paragraph makes sense (generally why I don't tell others to prove that God doesn't exist), I might be able to add something here. If we truly believe God can give us whatever we ask for, yet we don't ask him for it, then how much do we really want it? Anyway, I do agree about the proof thing, but I stick to my beliefs anyway. If you've ever wondered why I'm not a converter, that would be one of the reasons.
