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Sebi
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Do you believe in god?! I dont believe in him!!! Please could you explain me how people could believe in god?!

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afroninja1723
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Nobody talks about God more than those who are trying to disprove his existence.

HiddenDistance
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things dont just magically happen


You're right, so how do you explain god?

Ok ppl yes god is a mysterious being and its hard to belive in him do to what drama is going on in the world but its a fact that he is real and you should at least try to give in to the spirit and go to church and get a higher level of understanding from your paster and he'll describe to you whats going on.


No. It has nothing to do with what's going on in the world today. It's just hard to believe in because there's nothing to back it up. You say it's a fact that he is real, but where are these facts? Care to show some proof?

I like how you say 'give in' to the spirit, as if believing in god is accepting the defeat of rationality. I don't need to hear from *another* pastor to not believe in this malarkey.
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Make a distinction - I have no tolerance for the religion, I am very tolerant however, of people. There's a difference. As for more bad then good... there is both evidence affirming and decrying Hitler as christian - all those centuries of anti-semitism from the crucifixion of J.C. certainly had their impact.


I'm not really sure I understand the difference...at all. Your saying that Christians as a whole you aren't tolerant of but as individuals you are? Or are you just making excuses?

About Hitler I really could care less because if he was he interpreted it completely wrong, OR used the RELIGION as a way to influence people. Besides if he was an atheist I could use the same argument against you.

Also the antisemitism well your blaming Jesus? Who was a Jew?
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I'm not really sure I understand the difference...at all. Your saying that Christians as a whole you aren't tolerant of but as individuals you are? Or are you just making excuses?


Allow me to clarify. I have no tolerance for the religion Christianity, I tolerate christians. Making excuses for what?

So he used religion to influence people in an incredibly negative way. Just like the crusades... or the inquisition... or the pope helping to continue the rampant spread of AIDS in Africa. Just because Hitler himself doesn't follow the tenets of Christianity, if he exploits their religious fervor and gullibility, I would put the fault on the shoulders of religion.

As for the anti-semitism.. no. I'm not blaming Jesus - I'm talking about how the jews were blamed for Christ's death for centuries.
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I know a 100% sure that there is a god that I wont even bother to argue with anyone about. The god I believe in is GOD the christian god because there is proof THE BIBLE AND JESUS CHRIST like Jesus Christ made someone come back to life. And people say thats made it for some mysterious reason and another thing Jesus CHrist rose from his grave proof enough yet??? Of course not for some people I could go on with a 100 other miracles but that wouldn't change anyones mind. And another reason people believe in god like already said is because people need hope in a afterlife.

patriotboy1
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Another thing whats an agnostic??? Please someone answer

donpiet
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@patriotboy1: you didnt even provide proof to convince someone who already believes in god, that he exists.
i mean telling others about your beliefs doesnt proof them sorry. and even if its in the bible it is not proof.

i personally think, that it is impossible to prove an actual god, the funny thing is, that every religion or not-religion like atheism describes the same phenomenom but gives it another name.
i mean whether you believe in allah, god, jehova or the almighty universe, they do the same thing. mostly they created the world and all living beings and a lot of other stuff. the only difference that exists is that atheist deny an afterlife and all other religions argue about how it looks there.

and there is no possibility to prove the afterlife or the existence of an almighty god.

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Allow me to clarify. I have no tolerance for the religion Christianity, I tolerate christians. Making excuses for what?


Alright thank you, and I was asking if you really were intolerant but were just saying that in an attempt to look better, however your not so no offense meant. Also I agree the religion is usually ridiculous but the individuals who believe in Jesus as their savior are usually good.

So he used religion to influence people in an incredibly negative way. Just like the crusades... or the inquisition... or the pope helping to continue the rampant spread of AIDS in Africa. Just because Hitler himself doesn't follow the tenets of Christianity, if he exploits their religious fervor and gullibility, I would put the fault on the shoulders of religion.


I agree religion is terrible but the worship of God and Jesus doesn't have to be "religious."

As for the anti-semitism.. no. I'm not blaming Jesus - I'm talking about how the jews were blamed for Christ's death for centuries.


Well missinformation in the hands of idiots can do that sometimes.
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I have a theory that God is an alien who has evolved so much that he has power over life.Either that or he has a lot of really high-tech machines.Also our lives could just be a sort of game like WoW but realistic.

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I know a 100% sure that there is a god that I wont even bother to argue with anyone about. The god I believe in is GOD the christian god because there is proof THE BIBLE AND JESUS CHRIST like Jesus Christ made someone come back to life. And people say thats made it for some mysterious reason and another thing Jesus CHrist rose from his grave proof enough yet??? Of course not for some people I could go on with a 100 other miracles but that wouldn't change anyones mind. And another reason people believe in god like already said is because people need hope in a afterlife.


The bible does not stand up to scrutiny. It is a poor source of reliable facts. Jesus Christ, the miracles - there's a total lack of corroborating evidence. If I handed you a pamphlet that told you that some guy thousands of years ago said that the teapot is a sacred object, and he was correct, because he could levitate & shoot laser beams out of his eyes, I would *hope* you would ask for some proof. That's how all that nonsense about rising from the grave & walking on water sounds to me.

In a religious context, an agnostic is someone who neither denies, nor confirms the existence of a god. Use a dictionary.

Also I agree the religion is usually ridiculous but the individuals who believe in Jesus as their savior are usually good.


I agree religion is terrible but the worship of God and Jesus doesn't have to be "religious."


They do kind of go hand in hand. If you're believing in your own personal god with no religion, no rules; then.. well, that's your business. With Jesus Christ, and therefore, Christianity - (and other religions and their own prophets) there tend to come rules that are particularly restrictive or hateful, and while most proclaim being a religion of love and acceptance, they continue to show disgust for other human beings who choose to live their lives differently.
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They do kind of go hand in hand. If you're believing in your own personal god with no religion, no rules; then.. well, that's your business. With Jesus Christ, and therefore, Christianity - (and other religions and their own prophets) there tend to come rules that are particularly restrictive or hateful, and while most proclaim being a religion of love and acceptance, they continue to show disgust for other human beings who choose to live their lives differently.


The difference is a relationship with Jesus. If you truly have a relationship religion's all right because you wont take advantage of the people in it. However when you have someone like the leaders of the crusades who are ONLY in the religious aspect of Christianity then things end up getting perverted and twisted around.
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The difference is a relationship with Jesus. If you truly have a relationship religion's all right because you wont take advantage of the people in it. However when you have someone like the leaders of the crusades who are ONLY in the religious aspect of Christianity then things end up getting perverted and twisted around.


the religous aspect of religion is your relationship and believing in god/jesus.
people how manipulate others by telling them its gods will or something similar just exploit the religous beliefs and naivity of those people. there is nothing religous to it
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the religous aspect of religion is your relationship and believing in god/jesus.


No, the religious aspect is tithing, going to church, i.e. man made things.
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No, the religious aspect is tithing, going to church, i.e. man made things.


Isn't that sorta contradictory? Christianity and in fact all religion is putting the material behind the spiritual. If going to church every week is what you define as a Christian, how are you any different from a football fan with a season ticket?
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Isn't that sorta contradictory? Christianity and in fact all religion is putting the material behind the spiritual. If going to church every week is what you define as a Christian, how are you any different from a football fan with a season ticket?


To be a Christian means literally to be a little Christ or to be like Christ. So the goal and "requirements" if you would of being a Christian are striving to be like Christ. It's acting with mercy, being humble, serving, and loving that define you as a Christian; putting these things before your won material needs. Not going to church, THAT'S religion.
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