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Aussinizi
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For many years the neighbors to the south have faced political turmoil and corruption, with drug wars spilling into the streets of major cities.

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Poor, uneducated mexicans and their families cross the border from an unauthorized zone. They will climb mountains, cross rivers, and run from the authorities to make it into the US.

Of course, once they're in they have no money or job. So what do they do? They move into poor communities. They get menial jobs, ones that college students attempt to get. They force teenagers looking for work to quit as they accept lower wages.

Many times, illegals will rape, murder, steal and trade drugs in utter disregard for the rule of the law. They put their undisciplined children into our schools, where they will cause trouble as they have zero interest to learn.

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Whose going to take care of them when a crime happens? When they go to jail? When they go to court? When they are hurt? Who pays for their attorneys, their medical bills or their protection when they will break the law at will?

We, the American citizens do. In many states, they get full benefits of citizenship without the extra responsibilities and without paperwork calling them a citizen.

I pay my taxes, I vote, I work hard to put food on the table and keep a roof over my head. Why should my job be stolen from someone who illegally entered this country? Why should my hard-earned money be given to someone who breaks the law?

The constitution says we must guarantee the rights of citizens, not illegals.

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Yakooza99K
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But honestly, aussi has a point, they take far more than they return. It hurts those who actually help society. So i'll have to agree with the barrier.

Xavier1
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why? they dont pay taxes...they came here illegaly, and they took are jerbs!!!


Okay, so if it is legally enforceable to have them paid the same wages, maybe slightly higher ones. Then there is, in turn, no reason for anybody to hire them. When their employability dries up the problem becomes more manageable.
KamikazeKraut
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here here

IPwnU2Day
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I honestly thought my idea on page 1 was great... Just saying... *cough* look at it *cough*

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why? they dont pay taxes...they came here illegaly, and they took are jerbs!!!


Coach Z?

Okay, so if it is legally enforceable to have them paid the same wages, maybe slightly higher ones. Then there is, in turn, no reason for anybody to hire them. When their employability dries up the problem becomes more manageable.


legally enforceable? It's already illegal to hire illegal immigrants in the United States of America. Making it... more illegal isn't going to stop people from hiring them - and paying them on the cheap because again, they don't have to abide by federal or state laws regarding minimum wage.
IPwnU2Day
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and paying them on the cheap because again, they don't have to abide by federal or state laws regarding minimum wage.


That's why they come here. They are almost guaranteed jobs because they can be paid under minimum wage. It saves the employer money and that's all that matters to them.
Xavier1
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I addressed it in more detail previously. Going by the same principle as drug addiction. Drugs are illegal to have and sell and buy. But if you somehow manage to get addicted to them you can't get in trouble when you ask for help. In the same respect if there was a department set up to help with illegal immigrants getting under paid then even if the immigrants themselves didn't report it because they could see what would eventually happen other employees would be able to anonomously.

IPwnU2Day
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In the same respect if there was a department set up to help with illegal immigrants getting under paid then even if the immigrants themselves didn't report it because they could see what would eventually happen other employees would be able to anonomously.


I don't get it, the sentence structuring was slightly off.
Are you saying there should be a department to deal with the catching of illegals who are getting underpaid?
Yakooza99K
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Coach Z?


Nah, it was from that South park episode about the time travelers coming and stealing peoples jobs. The rednecks kept saying "THey took are jerb!!!'
Xavier1
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I don't get it, the sentence structuring was slightly off.
Are you saying there should be a department to deal with the catching of illegals who are getting underpaid?


I'm saying that an illegal should be able to report their boss if they are being underpaid without fear of being deported. Or, if they are smart enough to see that striving for regular wages will result in no jobs in the long run then other employees that aren't illegals should be able to rat out their work place. That way making illegal immigrants illogical to employ.
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I'm saying that an illegal should be able to report their boss if they are being underpaid without fear of being deported. Or, if they are smart enough to see that striving for regular wages will result in no jobs in the long run then other employees that aren't illegals should be able to rat out their work place. That way making illegal immigrants illogical to employ.


Right. So illegal immigrants are going to report the only people willing to break the law to employ them, to get equal pay, so that employers will stop hiring them altogether and only hire U.S.A. citizens, making the immigrants lose their jobs.

It's not even in their own best interest - there's no reason why they would do this.
Xavier1
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then other employees that aren't illegals should be able to rat out their work place.
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then other employees that aren't illegals should be able to rat out their work place.


Yeah.. I read that bit too.

Okay, imagine you have a job doing landscaping or contracting or similar labour - because, let's be honest, illegal immigrants are much less likely to find work in an office or a white collar job. So, you rat out your employer because he has illegal immigrants on staff. They get convicted, and face as much as 10 years in prison and a $250,000 fine. You don't have a job anymore *either*.
Xavier1
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No, I'm saying they shouldn't be punished. They should be watched and literally forced to pay illegal immigrants the same. It's just the beginning of an idea. But it would be far more effective and less expensive than huge walls. And at the moment those fines are the reason why people wouldn't be ratting out their bosses. There is no insentive. But if they are warned and forced to play ball first then it would work.

Xavier1
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Sorry for the double post but yeah, I actually didn't know that there were punishments like that. I was going by making them pay equal or maybe slightly higher wages was the punishment.

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