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What do you think about it? Cruel and unusual, or rightfully deserved? What do you think about the protocol associated with execution?

Anyone wants to see how we do it in Texas, you can find it here. You'll be quite surprised at the sheer quantity of executions.

Discuss.

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The only thing I have against execution is the forms in which they do it. No I'm not against the painful ones, but the painless ones. Still amazes me why they pulled the plug (get the pun?) on the electric chair.

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As any liberal would say, the Death Penalty is completely unacceptable.

I'm actually extremely liberal, but I don't say its completely unacceptable, although I think the current system isn't functioning the way it should, and is killing many people that don't deserve it.

When one kills another, there is no exception, it is murder.

Perhaps in many cases, but often times its not. Assisted suicide is one example, but we're so afraid of death that we let that cloud rationality, and the wishes of people who are often in extreme pain and suffering.

It's inhumane, imagine the psychological torture people on Death Row feel, imagine knowing your only here to die

People on Death Row commit the most serious of crimes, and imagine the psychological torture of those who were victims, or relatives of victims, knowing that the person who committed these crimes is still alive.

Knowing that this man died, he may be innocent, he may be guilty

Most the time guilt is a certainty, whether through irrefutable proof or confession, although I do agree that Death Row inmates should have extreme proof of their guilt, much more than the average conviction.

In 2004 3,374 people were put through this, these people had family, friends

And their thousands of victims had family, friends, who now have to live without them, knowing that they were innocents. For someone who's guilty to be killed, although extreme, is nowhere near the suffering of the family's who lost loved ones due to the often random actions of that individual.

we had a person who was only 18 on death row, 18, and you call that humane? Why would you throw a young mans life away when he was only 18, he has years of life left, years of opportunity

Most likely spent in jail if his crime was serious enough to warrant Death Row. Most, if not all of these people, faced life in jail, and no hope of parole. What crime did he commit though? And if the crime is serious enough, should age be a protection? For minor crimes perhaps, but murder, rape, torture? At that level its not a youths mistake anymore, but a persons malice and anger.

When people say that they support the Death Penalty, they're saying they support meaningless murder

Its not meaningless, unlike many who are guilty, who killed out of sheer anger and hate, or irrationality. Perhaps that's who we are as humans, but when someone goes far enough to murder like many of those inmates have, are they redeemable? Can you say, without a doubt, that these people can be turned around, and no longer be the person they were when they committed these serious crimes?

We have to stop living in fear. Fear has consumed this country, for years

I say this, not out of fear, but out of neutrality. You have to factor in the knowledge that these people aren't innocents, unlike the people that made their victims. Is it really justice to have serial killers spend there life in prison, living decently by many standards, while their victims are gone, and their mourners are still living with their loss? Fear does not control me in this decision, more the idea that sometimes an eye for an eye doesn't leave the whole world blind, but instead prevents the loss of more eyes.

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The only thing I have against execution is the forms in which they do it. No I'm not against the painful ones, but the painless ones. Still amazes me why they pulled the plug (get the pun?) on the electric chair.

This, I would be against. A painless death is one thing, but torture is another. That's all it can be called when you bring in intentional pain. Yes, they caused suffering, but how can we remain with even some semblance of innocence while purposefully causing them pain, just like some of them did to their victims?

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death is a popular option


Death is only a popular option because they can't think of anything worse, but they don't know that death row is worse, and yes, were throwing away potential, I've seen some amazing inventions inmates have made, one guy made a tattoo gun, they have amazing potential. The Average Prison Sentence is 12 years, the Average Death row 11 years, then death, whats the difference for the amount of time? Death is your whole life gone, prison is part of your life gone, the time difference is barely anything, it's just whats afterward that's different.
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A painless death is one thing, but torture is another.


Believe it or not, electrocution is quite a bit faster. You have 7 minutes of potential torture when lethal injection occurs, while you only have 8 seconds before brain death occurs when electrocuted. I choose a fast painless death over a slow painless death.
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that's the average prison, not life inprisonment

Death is only a popular option because they can't think of anything worse,


did you even read my post? it's a relief to the suicidal impatient people

throwing away potential is throwing them in prison
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Death is only a popular option because they can't think of anything worse


I think I would rather die than spend all my life in jail. I think that they need to increase the use of the death penalty though, to free up space in jails. Not have everyone who goes in there be executed, but the ones who did the more hideous crimes. Especially if they have a sentence that is too long for them to live through anyway.
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think I would rather die than spend all my life in jail. I think that they need to increase the use of the death penalty though, to free up space in jails. Not have everyone who goes in there be executed, but the ones who did the more hideous crimes. Especially if they have a sentence that is too long for them to live through anyway.


Not too mention what happens in the....showers...
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Not too mention what happens in the....showers...


Don't drop the soap. . . .
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i like the idea. can you imagine how much money it would cost the gov/nation to feed these prisoner

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did you even read my post?


Yes, but i didn't respond to all of it now did I?

I think that they need to increase the use of the death penalty though, to free up space in jails.


Now that's just insane. If we increase the Death Penalty, we will sink to the low of the Medieval Ages. Our jails are over-filling, party because or form of judicial government is flawed. The increase of the death penalty increases smaller felonies, which is as bad as the fewer major crimes. We don't want the next generations swallowed up by fear, which is what your implying.
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Wouldnt more death penalty=less crimes?

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The increase of the death penalty increases smaller felonies


How so?
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How so?


You wouldn't get sent to Death Row for a crime like robbing a Gas Station, so wouldn't you rather do that than shoot a person (Implying increased death row, non-fatal.) and get sent to death row?
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You wouldn't get sent to Death Row for a crime like robbing a Gas Station, so wouldn't you rather do that than shoot a person (Implying increased death row, non-fatal.) and get sent to death row?


Well it's not like you're going to spend too long in jail for that. You just do your time, get out, then live your life. All the crimes that would give you like life without parole would be the ones that deserve the death penalty anyway.
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