Since I have joined Armorgams . . .I see a lot of Atheists and their threads about why people believe in God etc . . . I wanted to start a thread about the bible and christianity.
The purpose of this thread is to debate a different book of the bible each week. We will discuss lessons, morals, and different stories.
We will have friendly debates. Please . . . if you are atheist or of other beliefs . . . you may discuss in this thread, just PLEASE no fighting, flaming, spamming, trolling . . . etc
This week we will begin from the beginning . . . .Genesis
You could argue that it's just classic fortune telling.
Watching the eyes for dilation, holding the palm/wrist to check for an increase in pulse; watch facial expressions to see if your wild guessing is on the right track - and always, *always* talk in riddles and mystical voodoo BS speak to keep things vague enough so that people can apply it to their own lives.
And if you know the subject well (which this man being a King after all) you can make things more specific and tailored, and tell them what they want to hear.
People still do it today, and people still buy it, only they've added calling themselves 'sychic' along with fortune teller, tarot card reader, palm reader, tea leaf reader, etc.
The CSI has done a lot of funny articles on those people. My speculation would be this would be the most rational explanation for someone interpretating the dreams of another.
I'm not talking about it being a metaphor - I'm saying it was possible that this particular story was a moral story rather than one that actually happened.
I fell like thats still a metaphor, but oh well I understand what you mean.
And also, if this story isn't true, that doesn't necessarily question the later aspects of the Bible. If a supposed prophet is in one Bible story that didn't really happen, it isn't questioning his prophetness - it's just using the character to teach a moral.
Aha, prophetness brilliant. I thought you were calling the truth of the book into question my fault, but I still think it happened but obviously proof on this matter will always be..lacking.
I fell like thats still a metaphor, but oh well I understand what you mean.
A metaphor is something that compares tow unlike things without using the words 'like' or 'as.' A morality story is not a metaphor.
Aha, prophetness brilliant.
inorite? Of course, I'm not Christian and don't believe the Bible is true, but saying that this particular story is an anecdote doesn't actually discredit any of it.
always, *always* talk in riddles and mystical voodoo BS speak to keep things vague enough so that people can apply it to their own lives.
I can see what you mean, but I also think this story doesn't have too many mystical riddles in it. A lot of the Bible stories are written with a simple sentence structure. If you mean the actual wisemen interpretting the stories, I suppose that's a likely possibility.
A metaphor is something that compares tow unlike things without using the words 'like' or 'as.' A morality story is not a metaphor.
I know what a metaphor is I meant the story if it was about morality could be metaphoric to morality, but whatever.
inorite
*faceplam* I goggled that O.o
Of course, I'm not Christian and don't believe the Bible is true, but saying that this particular story is an anecdote doesn't actually discredit any of it.
I can see what you mean, but I also think this story doesn't have too many mystical riddles in it. A lot of the Bible stories are written with a simple sentence structure. If you mean the actual wisemen interpretting the stories, I suppose that's a likely possibility.
Well, with the sentence you quoted I was just pretty much talking about fortune tellers/mystics, rather then speaking to the story directly - but yes, that was what I was more referring to - the mystics & the dream interpreting and what not.
Though I do think that it's very easy to embellish on something 'cool', especially when the story is second hand. In reality, the accuracy of the interpretation may have been less.. 'amazing'.
Though I do think that it's very easy to embellish on something 'cool', especially when the story is second hand. In reality, the accuracy of the interpretation may have been less.. 'amazing'.
Yeah, I can see that. Some of my favorite stories actually seem a bit mysterious, so that might explain why. I do enjoy the Bible when it's written with a simpler structure, though, because then I don't have to think too much.
Yes there are "sychics" and they are fake. . .but in the story, the king called all the soothsayers and the magicians, but they didn't even guess what his dream was. How could you explain Daniel praying and God revealing the dream and interpretation to him? And how would you know it is an anecdote or moralistic story? It is possible, but I guess it all comes back to faith
Ok, first we will discuss the story of David and Goliath. Then we will do Leviticus . . .
David and Goliath is probably one of the most common stories in the Bible. If you have faith in God, then you can do anything you set your mind to do . . .
I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me Philippians 4:13
