Since I have joined Armorgams . . .I see a lot of Atheists and their threads about why people believe in God etc . . . I wanted to start a thread about the bible and christianity.
The purpose of this thread is to debate a different book of the bible each week. We will discuss lessons, morals, and different stories.
We will have friendly debates. Please . . . if you are atheist or of other beliefs . . . you may discuss in this thread, just PLEASE no fighting, flaming, spamming, trolling . . . etc
This week we will begin from the beginning . . . .Genesis
A little known fact by most of today's population is that our current definition of incest is differenty from what it was in biblical times. This view changed because the royal line in England a few centuries back was becoming riddled with health problems and birth defects due to an overabundance of inbreeding. There was a decree from this time period that prohibited the intermarrying of any brothers or sisters as well as any first cousins. This viewpoint spread to the general population, and that is why today there is such a social stigma against this type of marriage. Biblically speaking though, I believe incest was defined as marrying of having sexual relations with a parent. It wasn't weird until the birth defects occurred and the English officials prohibited incest.
Incest would have had the exact same effect on Noah's family as it would on people nowadays. What you are saying would mean that Noah is far smarter, far more athletically fit etc but we know that the human race is in fact getting smarter and fitter, taller etc because we are different to what we were ages ago.
Back then . . . incest happened so often, that it was normal and there were no lasting effects on later generations. If diseases were present, God's grace healed them.
Back then . . . incest happened so often, that it was normal and there were no lasting effects on later generations.
That's disgusting and weird. The effects of inbreeding back then would have been quite destructive even back then. I have a massive range of out breeding. My mums from Ireland, my dad from australia. I have great heritage. If I were to inbreed even once my child would be malformed or be severely weird. How is that any different from what would have happened ages ago. They weren't 'more' pure. It's the fact that someone had a flood long ago and they said it happened all over the world. They could hardly record that.
If diseases were present, God's grace healed them.
I thought God gave EVERYTHING and I mean EVERYTHING free will. So that diseases and hurricanes and whirlwinds could all be free will and not prevented. If you disagree with me then you will have to agree that God is no longer omnibenelovent.
God does not cause those types of things He just allows them to happen. Satan is the "lord of the air," he can cause hurricanes. Do you really think God would create diseases to ail his children? He loves us all. He doesn't want us ill, he wants us healthy and lively.
God does not cause those types of things He just allows them to happen. Satan is the "lord of the air," he can cause hurricanes. Do you really think God would create diseases to ail his children? He loves us all. He doesn't want us ill, he wants us healthy and lively.
Then God is neither Omnibenelovent nor Omnipotent. For if he loves us he will not create that which will harm us and if he is all powerful he can do as he wishes by stopping the hurricanes. As you said he stopped diseases back then. Why can't he stop AIDS?
Let's face it creationism is a joke and noah's ark is even more so.
Back then, God wanted the continuation of the human race (His children). That's why he would not allow them to be diseased. He did create diseases and natural disasters, but he did not want to use them on the human race. The devil uses these in ways that affect people. He won't stop AIDS because He gave people free will and because the devil gives diseases. God can only stand back and let it happen.
I seek knowledge not fiction for beliefs as for fiction they make good forms of entertainment but without knowledge we cannot truly understand what we are faced with. It is nice to think as ancient cultures thought of spirits and gods but those are now myths. I do not mind something that can teach moral values but in the end we choose our morals for the sake of ourselves or a loved person all else is really just folly. Try to think of all the systems in the world there are always some form of punishment so we fear it to the point it can become illogical on a scale that is to great to deny what it is but think as an individual not as the herd of cattle being fattened for the slaughter.
Back then . . . incest happened so often, that it was normal and there were no lasting effects on later generations. If diseases were present, God's grace healed them.
I can hold up a blue pen and say it's red all I like but that isn't going to make it true.
What would happen if a population was reduced to such a small number it had to inbreed to continue on. Noah's Ark and the Cheetah
There are numerous stories that predate Noah's Ark. Some possibly even based on real event of small regions flooding that to the spectator who wrote of it would have seemed like the world. Does this mean Noah's Ark is a true story?, No. Think of it like the Movie 300. It's a movie based on a fictional comic book story loosely based on actual events.
God does not cause those types of things He just allows them to happen. Satan is the "lord of the air," he can cause hurricanes. Do you really think God would create diseases to ail his children? He loves us all. He doesn't want us ill, he wants us healthy and lively.
Noah's Ark, God can and has created Natural Disasters. But God doesn't cause natural disasters. â-¼ But God did create natural Disasters. Make up your mind.
Back then, God wanted the continuation of the human race (His children). That's why he would not allow them to be diseased. He did create diseases and natural disasters, but he did not want to use them on the human race. The devil uses these in ways that affect people.
He won't stop AIDS because He gave people free will and because the devil gives diseases. God can only stand back and let it happen.
You make no sense here. Are you saying people get sick because they choose to? Also this goes against the whole omnipotent abilities of your deity.
Back in ye olde days, they drove spikes into your head thinking the demon would leave through the hole in your head. It sucks to be sick back then..
Back in ye olde modern days, they had poor misconceptions about medicine in medieval times. It sucks to be misinformed theses days.
It happens that the process that you describe, trepanation, involved taking a piece out of the skull to expose the brain, not sticking spikes into people's heads. Why this was done we don't know, but this has been done since ancient times, with a surprisingly high rate of recovery and a low rate of infection. Even today, trepanation is still done; it merely takes the form of craniectomy or craniotomy.
But yes, overall it did suck to get sick back then. The use of bleeding and violent laxatives even up to the time of the American Revolution was horrific.
To go back on topic, though, I was referring to disease as one of the consequences of the Fall, which actualized the possibility of Evil into the world.
Indeed. Methinks he was trying to connect the existence of disease with the presence of evil, but whatever happened it came out screwed up.
But it's not evil, it's simply another organism trying to exist. Unfortunately it's methods are harmful to us.
To go back on topic, though, I was referring to disease as one of the consequences of the Fall, which actualized the possibility of Evil into the world.
To make a claim that it's connected to the fall you must first prove the fall happened in the first place.
I'm pretty sure they drilled a hole in you so demons would fly out.
Nobody really knows why prehistoric man practiced trepanation. Maybe they did think demons would fly out, maybe not.
Evil was created as soon as god created light.
That's a decidedly Manichaen view of things. Theologically speaking, it would contradict God's attribute of being all-good. And this brings us back to free will...argument redux.
