Since I have joined Armorgams . . .I see a lot of Atheists and their threads about why people believe in God etc . . . I wanted to start a thread about the bible and christianity.
The purpose of this thread is to debate a different book of the bible each week. We will discuss lessons, morals, and different stories.
We will have friendly debates. Please . . . if you are atheist or of other beliefs . . . you may discuss in this thread, just PLEASE no fighting, flaming, spamming, trolling . . . etc
This week we will begin from the beginning . . . .Genesis
If you created something, would you want it to turn against you and do whatever they felt like doing? God was gracious enough to create us, then merciful enough to let us live even if He was displeased. He did it in Noah's time, and when Jesus sacrificed himself so we could live.
If you created something, would you want it to turn against you and do whatever they felt like doing? God was gracious enough to create us, then merciful enough to let us live even if He was displeased. He did it in Noah's time, and when Jesus sacrificed himself so we could live.
So God does impose on free will?
To answer your question, if I made something to do what ever it felt like then I really wouldn't be complaining.
Then why did god commit genocide in the Noah's Ark story, or lay down the ten commandments? These things go in direct contrast to free will. I can go on and on with things God has done in your holy book that directly effect free will.
Then why did god commit genocide in the Noah's Ark story, or lay down the ten commandments? These things go in direct contrast to free will. I can go on and on with things God has done in your holy book that directly effect free will.
ooo those are good points, cool way to look at it. thanks, I have to say I heartily agree
How was he not? He gave a chance for man to exercise his free will, and man spoiled it.
I thought that god loves me! Even if I'm an atheist he should still love me.
so he shows his love by killing off all of us expect for Noah's family. He kicks us out of Eden just because we found out the truth about good and evil? God isn't the most helpful to us..
so he shows his love by killing off all of us expect for Noah's family. He kicks us out of Eden just because we found out the truth about good and evil? God isn't the most helpful to us..
God certainly could have just mindswiped us and kept us in Eden and reset everything the way that it was before, but he wouldn't because he is in fact, all-good and just. Man sinned, and consequently God had no choice but to judge, because he is all-good. He cannot turn a blind eye; he must give judgment. If he was to ignore it, he would violate his own goodness by doing so. Same thing with the Flood.
Second of all, if God is all-good, then any contrary action from his command cannot be good. Not only did Eve and Adam directly disobey an order, but by knowing that there was something other than good called evil, they actualized the possibility of sin.
We must remember, though, that God has formed a new covenant with us through Jesus Christ. God loves all of humanity, and he wishes that "all men may come to salvation" because it is the best possible outcome. Because he loved man, the creation in his own image, he sent Jesus to die and to be resurrected as a historical fact so that all men can believe and come to know and accept the ultimate good.
Man sinned, and consequently God had no choice but to judge, because he is all-good. He cannot turn a blind eye; he must give judgment. If he was to ignore it, he would violate his own goodness by doing so. Same thing with the Flood.
This then brings up the problem of evil. Is a child getting cancer, or a deer burning to death in the forest some kind of judgment? If God has the power and the will to stop these atrocities (and any theist in their right mind would have to claim He does) then why doesn't he stop them? Is there some greater good to be achieved through human suffering? Perhaps it was necessary for that child to die, but did it really have to suffer for as long as it did?
