Since I have joined Armorgams . . .I see a lot of Atheists and their threads about why people believe in God etc . . . I wanted to start a thread about the bible and christianity.
The purpose of this thread is to debate a different book of the bible each week. We will discuss lessons, morals, and different stories.
We will have friendly debates. Please . . . if you are atheist or of other beliefs . . . you may discuss in this thread, just PLEASE no fighting, flaming, spamming, trolling . . . etc
This week we will begin from the beginning . . . .Genesis
I dont believe anyone I know has ever said the opposite. And you present Physics and nature What are they? is it not a possible solution(however far fetched as everything in this universe is) that it is god or the culmination of his will?.
You're right, it is possible that physics, nature, everything is a culmination of God's will. However, just because there is a possibility does not mean there's any reason to believe.
Believing God created the universe just because I don't actually know how the universe was created is jumping to conclusions.
All science can do is speculate at the creation of the universe.
All religion can do is speculate at the creation of the universe (but unlike science, claim it as fact).
What the big bang says is that there was a little ball, and for no reason what so ever, that ball exploded into everything.
Science doesn't really say this, it's just one of a few hypotheses. Religion claims that there was a being who created everything out of nothing.
And then some of that everything came together and replicated itself over and over again, creating life from non- life, for no reason or rhyme what so ever.
This to me, is extremely illogical and very candidly, quite stupid to believe in. It's a lot more logical to believe that there is a mastermind that controlled everything.
Believing in what seems to be highly unlikely circumstances, backed by tests and observations, is more illogical than automatically assuming that God created everything?
Did you know that, during the time Jesus was on Earth AFTER the Crucifixion, there is not one report that we have found that refutes the claims that it was Jesus, not one?
What is there to refute when you have no evidence?
About the origin of universe, I would like to point out something. Sure, both science and religion have weird theories, for most of us god is just as likey as the big bang, but there is a difference. The difference is that science is trying to find the answer with a investigative method, thinking of hundreds of logical theories and temporary select the best one while looking for a new better one, and religion is just following what a 2000 years old book said. So we don't support big bang instead of god, we support who is actually trying to find an answer, and not who is too lazy to think about it and just go with the the answer he found in a book.
I dont believe anyone I know has ever said the opposite. And you present Physics and nature What are they? is it not a possible solution(however far fetched as everything in this universe is) that it is god or the culmination of his will?.
Yes, but is also a possible solution that everything is made by the purple elephant and it's the culmination of his sneeze. There is also a possibly that everything is the culmination of MY will, and I'm not telling anyone. This NOT meaning I should believe in the purple elephant, or that i should force everyone to worship me.
I don't have to prove anything to you, for the simple fact that I don't.
Then don't prove anything. But again, don't come to a public debate forum if you're just going to claim things without backing them up.
Did you know that, during the time Jesus was on Earth AFTER the Crucifixion, there is not one report that we have found that refutes the claims that it was Jesus, not one?
Lack of evidence is not evidence. As has already been stated, there is no evidence against Unicorns, Fairys, or any sort of mythical creature other than that no one has even had a verified sighting of one. Do you believe in any of those? Probably not. So why do you believe in God? Please understand, i'm not trying to flame, I'm honestly asking, where, exactly, is the difference between the two? There's more books about fairies and unicorns than about god most likely, and i'm sure you could find people who testify that they've seen one or both of those creatures. As far as I can tell, religion is widely accepted simply because it's widely accepted.
lets go back to the point of this thread which was poking fun at the bible. Such as the bits about not playing football, having tattoos and that bit in Deuteronomy 22:28-29
You're doing the exact same thing that you just spoke out against. You're defining your beliefs then calling me out because I don't think about it the same way you do. You're being a hypocrite. I don't need to provide scientific facts of anything to you.
No, see I'm using logic to structure my thoughts and certain logical method called the scientific method. That has been pretty much working wonderfully for a really long time. I don't twist my definition out and around the context like Christian do, give you an illogical quote that seems to be a fallacious and you either twist it back on itself and ignore the point entirely or just say god is above that. Which is pretty much giving up any hope of have an intellectual discussion since you seem to be making up the rules in your own favor and not working inside a system that is reality. I never asked for scientific facts from you.
Christians: Hey, brothers and sisters, let's ban together and talk about God
Atheists: GAAAWWWWDDDD You guys are such idiots, you believe in God, science, science, science... faulty reasoning, and dinosaurs say you're all wrong
Well lets say we made an atheistic thread here then you would also do the same thing. This is not a Christian or Atheistic community, thus there will be debate over the subject. If you don't like it go find another forum where people conform to those ideals. If you want to stay the prepare to have you beliefs challenged and for an argument to arise.
these life forms, for no reason became more and more complex over an unimaginable number of years for no reason still
Actually there is a reason for complexity it's called evolution, life propigates because it can.
This to me, is extremely illogical and very candidly, quite stupid to believe in.
How is it illogical, just because it does not fit in with your perceptions and beliefs? That not logic but faith then. Don't try to say something is illogical if you cannot say why in this reality because then you're using faith, not logic.
He loved you so much he put on skin and taught you how to live and then became the ultimate sacrifice for you.
Your religion is only applicable to yourself and others that believe in it, don't pull other people into your religion.
Did you know that, during the time Jesus was on Earth AFTER the Crucifixion, there is not one report that we have found that refutes the claims that it was Jesus, not one?
You don't need a report for something that didn't happen. I also have not found reports supporting zombies thus zombie Jesus didn't happen.
If God doesn't fit science then this is saying God has not been observed, which puts any claim of God's existence at that point as something that someone just made up.
You missed my points, Facts arent facts, The scientific community accepts nothing as a fact
There are facts in science. A fact is an objective verified observation that has been verified many times.
their highest level they can offer is a Theory
That's because a theory is an explanation for the observations.
All science can do is speculate at the creation of the universe.
Wrong a speculation has little to no basis on fact. Speculation in science can only be used preliminarily to encourage further discovery. Science is knowledge of the natural world based on observation and experimentation. This is how we determine reality.
Written 2000 years ago by superstious goat herders who believed Pi=3.
This is particularly bad considering by the time the events in 1 Kings took place Pi was calculated out accurately to it's first place 3.1 (believed to be either 3.160 or 3.125). This had been so for over a thousand years prior to the events. By the time the Bible was written Pi had been accurately calculated out to it's third place, 3.141 (believed to be 3.1416). This had been the case for hundreds of years before the Bible was written down.
So WHY, for the THOUSANDTH time, do people STILL use a book that almost EVERYONE agrees is [b]OUTDATED[/b] and proven to be shown wrong in many instances! I don't understand the stupidity there.
