Since I have joined Armorgams . . .I see a lot of Atheists and their threads about why people believe in God etc . . . I wanted to start a thread about the bible and christianity.
The purpose of this thread is to debate a different book of the bible each week. We will discuss lessons, morals, and different stories.
We will have friendly debates. Please . . . if you are atheist or of other beliefs . . . you may discuss in this thread, just PLEASE no fighting, flaming, spamming, trolling . . . etc
This week we will begin from the beginning . . . .Genesis
You missed my points, Facts arent facts, The scientific community accepts nothing as a fact, their highest level they can offer is a Theory, So we have a theory that this "Gravity" pulls things together, You can say that gravity exists. that it pulls but can you prove it? i am yet to see proof(i know i seem crazy on this point but prove to me that gravity is real?)
As far as science... it doesn't do a really great job of telling about the creation of the universe. Picture in your mind the Mona Lisa, the most famous painting in the world. Let me submit to you that the paints just kind of splattered onto the canvas, and in some way, shape, or form, the splatters arrange themselves into the Mona Lisa. Any person would call bull crap. It took a painter to paint the Mona Lisa, there is no chance that the paint just kind of slipped on to the canvas in that form. This is similar as to how I see the Big Bang. You want to submit to me that everything in the universe... this planet and how perfectly it's placed, how the atmosphere is just right to support life, that we have everything we need on this planet. Look at anything living or dead. There are highly complex systems in place for the living to survive, for a biotic forms, there are complex arrangements of molecules that are put in a certain place perfectly so it has the right shape, color, etc?
How can you sit there and say that the less complex was designed but the more complex just happened... by an.. accident? We're all products of something that just kind of... happened? Do you see the faulty logic of the big bang here?
Thus they don't apply to your morals since that's a human concept and also logic. Oh, and reality so in the end there is no way you can disprove your god because well he basically doesn't exist. Really it looks like your just trying to overcomplicated things so it can't be disprove, but in the end you end up with an un-understable god. So what's the point of having faith in him? You can't understand him anyway.
not to be rude or anything 314d1, but you seem to want to crush the idea of gods.
Well do you complain when people say unicorns are not real? I don't think so, you know it to be true that they don't exist. So you don't argue with them about the subject.
gods are a way of defining happenings. if you have missed that then you cannot speak out against the idea of gods.
Nice try to logic out censorship. But really you can't define something and then call people out for not thinking about it the same way you do. That's not science or logical reasoning.
Sorry, but even if nothing is absolute in science, it doesn't mean that God exists.
If there's a bunch of evidence pointing towards one thing, it makes it more likely to be true. There's such a lack of evidence and most "miracles" have been explained through science, meaning the laws of physics do not have to be broken by a God. Of course, you can argue that God uses the laws of physics to do his work, but then we have to ask for evidence proving that he's there using those physics.
Sorry, but even if nothing is absolute in science, it doesn't mean that God exists.
But it also does not refute the idea of there being a creator.
There's such a lack of evidence and most "miracles" have been explained through science, meaning the laws of physics do not have to be broken by a God.
Yeah, I've always found some bull crap slapped together with a few long words to be an adequate explanation.
Of course, you can argue that God uses the laws of physics to do his work, but then we have to ask for evidence proving that he's there using those physics.
Thus comes the repeating factor. I can't prove to you anything. I can't submit a videotape of God in heaven. What you're asking for is illogical and unreasonable.
Well do you complain when people say unicorns are not real? I don't think so, you know it to be true that they don't exist. So you don't argue with them about the subject.
FREAKIN UNICROSNA ARE REALL FOO!!!!
Sorry, but even if nothing is absolute in science, it doesn't mean that God exists.
But it doesnt mean that he doesnt exist
If there's a bunch of evidence pointing towards one thing, it makes it more likely to be true. There's such a lack of evidence and most "miracles" have been explained through science, meaning the laws of physics do not have to be broken by a God. Of course, you can argue that God uses the laws of physics to do his work, but then we have to ask for evidence proving that he's there using those physics.
Again i must quote futurama
"Galactic Entity: When you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all"
Also you need to ask for evidence that proves that hes not there using the physics for his own doings, Its a 2 way door mate.
As far as science... it doesn't do a really great job of telling about the creation of the universe. Picture in your mind the Mona Lisa, the most famous painting in the world. Let me submit to you that the paints just kind of splattered onto the canvas, and in some way, shape, or form, the splatters arrange themselves into the Mona Lisa. Any person would call bull crap. It took a painter to paint the Mona Lisa, there is no chance that the paint just kind of slipped on to the canvas in that form.
I saw a beautiful stream carved out with water. It was art without a maker. I have moss growing on rocks, clouds highlighting hues of orange and red as the sun begins to rise. These are all wonders that man has not created.
Just because we can not be certain how the Earth was created does not mean God must have done it. Science points towards a big bang, but we may never be absolutely certain that a big bang has happened. This does not mean God exists though, it simply means we aren't certain or that we don't know.
Lack of knowledge is not evidence of God.
What you're asking for is illogical and unreasonable.
It's illogical to ask for evidence? I'll pretend I didn't hear this. However, I'm curious as to what I can explain that would be reasonable?
But really you can't define something and then call people out for not thinking about it the same way you do. That's not science or logical reasoning.
You're doing the exact same thing that you just spoke out against. You're defining your beliefs then calling me out because I don't think about it the same way you do. You're being a hypocrite. I don't need to provide scientific facts of anything to you.
Christians: Hey, brothers and sisters, let's ban together and talk about God
Atheists: GAAAWWWWDDDD You guys are such idiots, you believe in God, science, science, science... faulty reasoning, and dinosaurs say you're all wrong
Curse it! the border between religion and science is vast and hard! this common bickering is useless! Face it, science can only describe so much! the rest must be gods!
True, it doesn't mean he does not exist. You are right. It also doesn't mean unicorns do not exist, or that I'm superman with a giant tentacle that snatches Japanese school girls and... nevermind. The point is, it does not mean God doesn't exist. However, we present scientific evidence to explain that there are physics involved in events that we can understand. We are simply pointing out that nature can happen without God.
At one point in time, it was thought God made it rain because it is impossible for water to find it's way to the air. Scientists have proven otherwise.
So no, we aren't proving that God doesn't exist, we are merely explaining that there's science that often proves the once unexplainable.
You're not understanding where I'm coming from. All science can do is speculate at the creation of the universe. Science also speculates that there is going to be an end. What the big bang says is that there was a little ball, and for no reason what so ever, that ball exploded into everything. And then some of that everything came together and replicated itself over and over again, creating life from non- life, for no reason or rhyme what so ever. These life forms, for no reason became more and more complex over an unimaginable number of years for no reason still, but there is only one species that is intelligent enough to think about this... humans. This to me, is extremely illogical and very candidly, quite stupid to believe in. It's a lot more logical to believe that there is a mastermind that controlled everything. I don't believe the bible. I believe in God as a creator, destroyer, and lover. He loved us so much he put on skin and taught us how to live and then became the ultimate sacrifice for us. Did you know that, during the time Jesus was on Earth AFTER the Crucifixion, there is not one report that we have found that refutes the claims that it was Jesus, not one?
We are simply pointing out that nature can happen without God.
I dont believe anyone I know has ever said the opposite. And you present Physics and nature What are they? is it not a possible solution(however far fetched as everything in this universe is) that it is god or the culmination of his will?.
Curse it! the border between religion and science is vast and hard!
or that I'm superman with a giant tentacle that snatches Japanese school girls and... nevermind
Iv got something vast and large that snatches.... wait.... ima nvm this one as well.
The big bang has some evidence, yet you would rather believe an almighty ghost man with super powers did it instead? Ya that makes a lot more sense. And besides, why do you think humans are so smart/spectacular. Sure we dominate the planet, but we are just a spec in the whole scheme of things. I bet there are other races far far far away that have life 2x as intelegent as us. We are nothing. In fact I would not even consider us that intelegent or fully evolved. We kill each other and this and that just like any other animal on the planet. Does not mean some ghost man gave us free will? Nah, it's just nature.
Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree. Sure that makes more sense than the big bang...
Besides I believe the universe has always been here and is infinite anyways. Not that it matters. I do have trouble with the big bang but it is just a THEORY. It does not claim to be 100% true and I bet people would love for it to be debunked with a better answer.
