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valkyrie1119
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This is a rather basic question that I happen to find myself asking sometimes. What is your opinion? State which you think would've come first and give a good reason as to why. I don't know if there has already been a thread on this, but I apologize if there has.

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mud89
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The Chicken because the egg couldn't hatch without a chicken

speeddragon
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chicken first......then egg

valkyrie1119
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Okay, make sure that you post evidence with your opinion. No more "the chicken came first," or simply "the egg." Give reasons.

Kasic
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Here's the answer to all your problems. Some form of ancient chickens, I don't know what that was, had a mutation (Evolution) and there was a mutated baby whatever you want to call it. Now that is what we came to call the chicken. After thousands and thousands of years of evolution, it split into it's own branch. The chicken had to come first, because the egg the chicken hatched out of was not a chicken egg, but it's predecesors egg, then that mutated whatever branched into a chicken. Problem solved, go home.

ajajaj92
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The egg came first.The firts egg wasn't laid by a chiken,but by a dino or bacteria;the firsts ones in earth.

There isn't only a type of egg,and if you,"kids",didnt though about this,you're a baby.

Long live DINOSAURS!Even though they're extint.

ilovemoney249
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The ancestor of the chicken laid an egg. The egg came first peoples.!!!

Kasic
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The firts egg wasn't laid by a chiken,but by a dino or bacteria;the firsts ones in earth.
There isn't only a type of egg,and if you,"kids",didnt though about this,you're a baby.


So your saying some random dinosaur popped out an egg and there was a chicken in it when it hatched? What happend to the millions of years in between or am I mission something here? The there isn't only a type of egg, and if you, "kids" didn't though about this, you're a baby do you mean an egg from an ovary or more than one type of dinosaur egg? Not a very clear statement. And as I said earlier, i'll repeat it again.

Here's the answer to all your problems. Some form of ancient chickens, I don't know what that was, had a mutation (Evolution) and there was a mutated baby whatever you want to call it. Now that is what we came to call the chicken. After thousands and thousands of years of evolution, it split into it's own branch. The chicken had to come first, because the egg the chicken hatched out of was not a chicken egg, but it's predecesors egg, then that mutated whatever branched into a chicken. Problem solved, go home.
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Here's the answer to all your problems. Some form of ancient chickens, I don't know what that was, had a mutation (Evolution) and there was a mutated baby whatever you want to call it. Now that is what we came to call the chicken. After thousands and thousands of years of evolution, it split into it's own branch. The chicken had to come first, because the egg the chicken hatched out of was not a chicken egg, but it's predecesors egg, then that mutated whatever branched into a chicken. Problem solved, go home.

if you're going to use the word evolution you should know that it only occurs through edits to genes while in the embryo state.

therefore, the egg had to come first because the ancestor's genes had to mutate within the egg to create the differences that made the chicken a chicken.
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T'was the egg all along.

Hmm, it's funny. When I was a child, I never really considered this a controversial questions. I always thought of it as a funny, yet unanswerable joke.

Now that I've matured, I've realized the initial meaning behind it. lol

Answer: An ancestor of the chicken laid the egg, containing a mutated creature, later known as the chicken. More of these mutations started happening until the chicken finally became of it's own species.

So simple yet so unacceptable to most people.

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The chicken had to come first, because the egg the chicken hatched out of was not a chicken egg, but it's predecesors egg, then that mutated whatever branched into a chicken. Problem solved, go home


Hold on... your picking at straws with this statement. What came first... the chicken or the EGG. Not chicken egg. Just an egg. What the question is asking was do things evolve outside the egg. The egg of the creature -who laid the first of the kind different enuf to be classed as a chicken- prolly had just the same egg as the chicken that was thereafter birthed.

and if your talking about ovaries and sperm mutating inside the creature who birthed the chicken, then I could pick at straws and say "its still an egg"...

Either way the EGG comes of as the champion of the chicken!
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I think you have to define what kind of egg you are reffering to, otherwise, there'll just be people claiming the chicken or the chicken egg came first by their interpretation of the definition of 'egg'. 'Chickens must hatch from chicken eggs' is more important than 'chicken eggs must be laid by chickens' makes perfect sense, as does the converse.

Although clearly eggs came first, because dinosaurs laid eggs

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The egg came before the chicken, because the chicken hatched from that egg.

Let's say that there was only 1 mutation that seperated the chicken from another similar species of bird. That species of bird laid an egg that had that mutation that created the chicken. The egg containing the chicken came first, but it was not a chicken egg. Only chickens can lay chicken eggs.

So the egg came before the chicken, but the chicken egg came after the chicken. Because the question probably refers to a chicken egg, the answer would be the chicken.

FireflyIV
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The egg came before the chicken, because the chicken hatched from that egg.


Purely for the sake of argument, the classification of an egg depends on what laid it, so there's a problem with your definition. 'Chicken' eggs sold in supermarkets are sterile and contain little if any chicken genetic material, yet they are still chicken eggs. Therefore a chicken egg is anything laid by a chicken. If a chicken lays an egg, and you replace all the material inside with the contents of a duck, it would still be classed as a chicken egg.

The thing that laid the egg that became the first chicken, wasn't by our modern definition, a chicken, it was the species of bird that is the nearest ancestor of the chicken (the Red Junglefowl). Therefore what it laid wasn't a chicken egg, yet a chicken emerged from it. Therefore the chicken came before the chicken egg.
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Purely for the sake of argument, the classification of an egg depends on what laid it, so there's a problem with your definition.


Read the whole post before you reply.
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One is defining a chicken egg by the fact that a chicken comes out, the other defines the egg by it being laid by a chicken... I go by Nemo's def.

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