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Green12324
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The United States pledge of allegiance

"I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands: one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."

This is repeated every morning by students all over the world, and is recited at many events. However, there's one part that many people have a problem with. "One nation, under God". Why should Americans be forced to acknowledge the existence of God to pledge their allegiance to their country?

So my question to you: Should the "under God" be removed from the pledge of allegiance?

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donpiet
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How about changing the system? The school system.


why would you do that? you have the right to choose the school you go to. if you want to get religous education together with your school education why not go to a private school.
if you dont like their philosophy dont go there. it is fair for everyone
Sssssnnaakke
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Yah unless you get forced there...
I am just saying this country should make it religon free...
Private.

donpiet
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Yah unless you get forced there...


if you get forced to a religous school, it is certainly not by the governements doing, but the doing of the parents.
and since the parents as legal guardians are allowed to make choices for their offspring, this conflict has to be solved in the familly.

Private.


this schools are all private.
Sssssnnaakke
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I meant only on Sunday. They use a class period learning about God when they could be on a totally different subject. Right now I mean the country it should be changed to the people who want to praise God do so at Home at Church but not at school and not over the Flag. Thank you and that is the last I am going to say over this....

donpiet
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I meant only on Sunday. They use a class period learning about God when they could be on a totally different subject. Right now I mean the country it should be changed to the people who want to praise God do so at Home at Church but not at school and not over the Flag. Thank you and that is the last I am going to say over this....


what about religions praying on other days. and restricting the use of religion to a certain time period, goes strictly against the first amandement.

and yes they use class period to learn about god, because they chose to.
and still with wasting all the time on religion, private schools are mostly scoring higher on national tests.
so i think doing religion education does them no bad
Caucheka
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I hate the way God has taken over the innocents minds... Much like a zombie.


boy this is a late post, but still lol religious zombies.
jesus rose from the dead! ZOMBIE!
Caucheka
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oh and i say it should be removed, due to technicality of seperation of church and state, but im not really making a big fuss over it

dunadan
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You basically don't even need to say it at all just stand up and move your lips that's all.


And that's already too much!
Why in a rich and democratic country people should be compelled to pledge a God they don't believe in?even for fake!
No one should ever be compelled to pray a God he doesn't believe in!
America is quite retarded on this point...
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Maybe because if they don`t do it people will call them unpatriotic and in some parts of America 99% of population is Christian so they won`t be accepted and in some parts of America parents teach kids how atheists are evil etc. lol.


My questionw is rethoric...
I know that people don't understand that, but it's a shame!
I know that USA is a deep christian country, it has been built on this model, but it's really a shame that people are still compeleld, in this country of human rights, to fake pledging a God they don't like...
People should have the possiblity to show their beliefs, even if it's not the majority's one!
Of course all of this is utopia, and it must take long time before it changes...
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I don't think that we should associate the state and the church, especially by putting god in a pledge of allegiance. If the United States and the Church have so many scuffles then "under god" doesn't really seem fit for a national pledge.

JJ52
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My opinion on this is, if atheists dont think God exists then why do the have a problem saying his name?

donpiet
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My opinion on this is, if atheists dont think God exists then why do the have a problem saying his name?


well how would you feel if you were forced to pledge on allah? or jehova or any other deity? would you like it?

i can understand why people are upset when they have to pledge on something they dont identify with
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jesus rose from the dead! ZOMBIE!


He'll absolve you of your sins. . .and your brains.

Anyway. . .I really think the words of the pledge don't matter. It coulkd be 'I pledge allegiance to the Flying Spaghetti Monster, Lord And Savior of Italian restaurants. and to the garlic bread, for which it bakes, one fascist-consumerist state under the sky with fat calories and HDL cholesterol for all' and I wouldn't give a flying f**k. (Or a groundbound one, for that matter.)
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Maybe because if they don`t do it people will call them unpatriotic and in some parts of America 99% of population is Christian so they won`t be accepted and in some parts of America parents teach kids how atheists are evil etc. lol.


Right, I forgot how oppressing minorities was one of the concepts the U.S.A. was founded on.

Maybe that kind of crap is okay in Eastern Europe, but not over here.
donpiet
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Maybe that kind of crap is okay in Eastern Europe, but not over here.


its not ok in europe at all.
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