"I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands: one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."
This is repeated every morning by students all over the world, and is recited at many events. However, there's one part that many people have a problem with. "One nation, under God". Why should Americans be forced to acknowledge the existence of God to pledge their allegiance to their country?
So my question to you: Should the "under God" be removed from the pledge of allegiance?
Well yes I'm stupid, the entire system tells me to pledge a God I don't believe, and I'm stupid..you didn't read what I said... In USA it appears to be necessary, every mornin,g to repeat the oath of allegiance which contains christians prays. And I said that's it's horrible gto be compelled to say that if yoiu don't believe in God.
Your a tool? Pick your word I don't care but you don't have to say "Under God" if you don't want in fact no one can even force you to say the pledge but yourself. If they get rid of the words "Under God" in the pledge I'll still say them I don't care no one can force me not to just as no one can force you to. This isn't a prayer for the record it's an acknowledgment. Your not compelled you say it if you want and you don't if you don't.
[quote] You're a tw4t in fact... Of course SUA is a rich country, no matter the debts it have, it's the most powerfulkl country in the world!You're enough proud of your country to make us forget that thing... US Economy is sick right now, but their's a world wide crisis, so it's all the same...
At least I can spell. The what Socialist Union of America? I know were the most powerful but were not the best and were no where near the wealthiest. It's not Worldwide were not that important some Countries Economies are failing but no where near as much as America's is.
You're a tw4t in fact... Of course SUA is a rich country, no matter the debts it have, it's the most powerfulkl country in the world!You're enough proud of your country to make us forget that thing... US Economy is sick right now, but their's a world wide crisis, so it's all the same...
At least I can spell. The what Socialist Union of America? I know were the most powerful but were not the best and were no where near the wealthiest. It's not Worldwide were not that important some Countries Economies are failing but no where near as much as America's is.
*rant* *rant* *rant*
I can't believe you'r suche a tw4t... It was 250 years ago, when being atheist wasn't seen as good as now... Now, everyone could choose his beliefs... Anyway, you're 13, what dyou want teach us?
Seen as good by whom? The majority of the world is still religious. I don't see it as god or bad my close minded friend. Everyone could choose there beliefs back then, you act like laws HAVE to be followed. You 19 why don't you spell?
Anyway, I'm tired of all this, I'm atheist and proud of it, and now I'm more encouraged to be.
You are actually a close minded um not smart person.
Great argument indeed. cause I suppose you never misspelled a word by writing too quickly on your computer...never of course...
I've never said the SUA. Listen you seem to be ignoring our arguments which means were obviously right or at least have a point because apparently you can't contradict us.
since the whole under part god, was added in 1954 to attack the bad commies as president eisenhower said, it is not a part of the original pledge. and since religion and the state are seperated, there should be no religion acknowledgement of any kind neither in the pledge nor constitution or wheresoever. if someone wants to add the under god part he ist free to do it. but the official version should/ and did not include it
Ok, as samy wants me to answer here, I will, for I'm not close minded as this teenage christian hero said...
I tottally agree with Donpiet, separation of Church and State is something absolutely vital for a country...and if it's in place, the pledge shouldn't involve God.
But anyway, as you're as close-minded as we are, we'll never agree, so i leave it.
Ok, as samy wants me to answer here, I will, for I'm not close minded as this teenage christian hero said...
With the knowledge that was sarcasm I say thanks One of the better compliments I've got on here.
I tottally agree with Donpiet, separation of Church and State is something absolutely vital for a country...and if it's in place, the pledge shouldn't involve God.
The pledge is just a passage of words and shouldn't be linked to either the Church or the State.
But anyway, as you're as close-minded as we are, we'll never agree, so i leave it.
Horribly close minded I am, never think of anyone else in fact we should kill all gay people! -.-
it is not only a passage of words it is a text, in which the person who says it, swears loyality to the country. so this is clearly a text of the state and it has been used officially since then.
so it should not prefer any religion in it.
for all the religious people there should be an option of adding the god part.
it is like with every oath. when you are at court you have to take an oath and if you like you can add the words: so help me god. but the actual text, does not include them. it is a volontary action
it is not only a passage of words it is a text, in which the person who says it, swears loyality to the country
Psh, no one cares about that anymore though. In fact not very many people actually mean the pledge any more I'm not sure why this is such a big deal any more.
for all the religious people there should be an option of adding the god part
It's is an option though just say one nation under my bod or something no one will be able to tell the difference. Just don't say it for that matter.
well since it is an official pledge, it should not violate the principles of the law and constitution. therefore every religous aknowledgement can not be included. and for many people it certainly is important.
Ya if someone really wanted to complain they could. But it's not required. Face it, although there is a separation of church and state, there is not a separation of church and state. This country is very intertwined with Christianity.
It would be impossible to keep a separation of church and state. That is everyone has a belief, even atheists have a belief. And none of you have answered me saying that by your logic you will never use American money. (HiddenDistance did reply but he just said he thought it was funny that God was on money) And frankly I dont see why this thread is still going because its already been said that you dont need to say the pledge...
well actually they wouldnt be able to buy anything!
I can buy a whole lot without dollars... gotta love the euro
On topic... it's pretty hard for me to understand just how often the pledge is used. At every schoolday and such? It's definately quite different from the Netherlands... I don't even think we have something that's like the pledge of allegiance. Only our national anthem, but that's more used with our royals and such. So, can someone please explain just what the pledge means for the US's psyche?
