ForumsWEPR[necro] Why you don't believe in God?

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Zep0Q
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Before you comment, please, read everything, I'm sure that after you read, your life will be changed.

In the following sentences I will explain how stupid is to not believe in God, and I'm gonna use logical thinking and science.

Either "Everything came from nothing", like the "big bang" , witch is impossible, because nothing can only make nothing, or "Something always existed and made everything" like God.

God made this world, by this world I mean time, space and matter, so if God made this world, He lives outside of time, space and matter which means He's eternal, omnipresent and all-powerful.

For those of you who say that the big bang made the universe, I have this sentence: Nothing is the cause of it's own existence.
This doesn't apply to God, because if He doesn't lives in time, He didn't had a beginning, He always existed.
If the universe always was then, we could not reach this moment in time, if something is trapped in time, that means it had a beginning.

Every change that happens everywhere in the universe it's more closer to destruction.
Second law of thermodynamics:
The energy available after a chemical reaction is less than that at the beginning of a reaction; energy conversions are not 100% efficient.
The disorder in the universe always increases.
With each change in form, some energy is degraded to a less useful form and given off into the surroundings, usually as low-quality heat.
The Second Law of Thermodynamics is commonly known as the Law of Increased Entropy. While quantity remains the same, the quality of matter/energy deteriorates gradually over time. How so? Usable energy is inevitably used for productivity, growth and repair. In the process, usable energy is converted into unusable energy. Thus, usable energy is irretrievably lost in the form of unusable energy.

If God didn't made life, then how did non-life, became life?
As I said, nothing is the cause of it's own existence, life comes from life, your parents were alive when they made you.

Did you knew that a 2x2 inch capacity full with someone's DNA can sustain 6000000000 times more information then a 140 GB hard drive?
I guess you didn't knew, did evolution made your DNA?
God made your DNA, of course!

What about the monkeys?
If we evolved from them, why they stayed as they are? they took a long coffee break, I guess.

What about the fossils?
The scientists say that it takes millions and billions and zilions of years for living tissue to become a fossil, well here's 2 pictures with a cawboy's leg fossilized, enjoy
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http://www.bible.ca/tracks/limestone-cowboy-boot-outside.jpg
2#
http://www.bible.ca/tracks/limestone-cowboy-boot-inside.jpg

After all I have showed you, now I'm gonna say that you should accept Jesus as your Lord and Saviour, because He died for our sins and He didn't ask something from us, just to love our brothers and sisters and to believe in Him.
Anyone can ask for forgiveness as long as he or she is not dead, no matter what they did God can forgive them, if they repent from theirs sins and accept Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior.
God is mercyful and just, His justice is not denyed by His mercy and this is the reason why God sent His Son Jesus to pay the price for us.

John 3:16
"For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life."

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BigP08
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then jesus was all knowing. why didn't he know that Judas betrayed him?

He did.
Mark 14:17-20
And in the evening he cometh with the twelve. And as they sat and did eat, Jesus said, Verily I say unto you, One of you which eateth with me shall betray me. And they began to be sorrowful, and to say unto him one by one, Is it I? and another said, Is it I? And he answered and said unto them, It is one of the twelve, that dippeth with me in the dish.
partydevil
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oke then why didn't jesus know the date for the end of the world?

BigP08
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I really hate to temporarily go back to Christian debating, but:

oke then why didn't jesus know the date for the end of the world?

Jesus is supposedly both human and divine. So his human part would be the Son, and his divine part would be God, AKA God the Father. This may also explain why Jesus wasn't always aware that he was God. His divine half does know everything, but it isn't always easy to listen to it (or something to that extent).

*Back to Atheist debating*
partydevil
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i c jesus had Multiple Personality Disorder

BigP08
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dissociative_identity_disorder

the diagnosis requires that at least two personalities routinely take control of the individual's behavior with an associated memory loss that goes beyond normal forgetfulness

I know you're joking, but Multiple Personality Disorder would mean that Jesus/Son had little/no realization of Jesus/God, and vice versa. However, if he made claims as the Son that he was the Messiah, and that he was God, this would not fall under the technical definition.
A better argument might be that he was lying or schizophrenic.
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Isn't there the gospel of judas they found not long ago, that would suggest that judas didn't even betray him but in fact was one of his most devoted disciple? I know it isn't part of the bible just like countless other apocrypha...

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His divine half does know everything

What do you mean by this? The Christian belief isn't that he was half divine and half human. They believe he is url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christology]fully human and fully divine[/url]
Eventually in 451 the Hypostatic union was decreed, namely that Jesus is both fully divine and fully human, making this part of the creed of Orthodox Christianity
BigP08
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I explained that badly, I suppose. I didn't mean it like a percentage, I meant it more like a portion. Like, I am fully human and fully organic. The two things don't contradict, but they don't mean the same thing. I can think like a human being (ethically and intelligently) or like an organic (survival of the fittest).
It's an odd comparison, but that's more along the lines of what I meant to convey.

partydevil
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saying that he lies is to easy. (no fun in that =P)

anyway ive readed other explenations befor wich are more likely then yours is =) at your expenation it indeed sounds like jesus was not 100% in his mind xD

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i c jesus had Multiple Personality Disorder

A better argument might be that he was lying or schizophrenic.


Schizophrenia would be more likely than MPD given the descriptions in the Bible.
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why are u evn asking tht? thats kindof racist towards some ppls religon


I shouldn't even reply to something that Firefox's spellchecker screaming at me with all the red lines, but you can't be "racist" on a religion.

Just sayin'.
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I respect all Christians and other dudes, but if God really existed, do you think the world would be this bad?

partydevil
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the world would be this bad?


the world is bad? maybe try to go out sometime and have some fun whit friends
bad things happen, always have been happening and wil happen forever.
it doesn't mean the entire world is in a bad state.
just have fun in life thats all that matters.
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I respect all Christians and other dudes, but if God really existed, do you think the world would be this bad?


The world is run by Governments that have made it a point to separate religion from government. The people who listen to the word of God for the most part try to be good, but people who's happiness is fueled by money will kill for it.
HahiHa
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There are christians who only want to be happy, and still have to suffer. Sometimes a lot. Don't you think god should at least help them?

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