Is god willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both willing, and able? then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him god?
and why would you trust science .... when science is made by man.
How can you trust the bible .... when the bible was made by man.
Hence, that's how God was created, by man. So, who do we trust, the men who wrote the many holy books (Bible, Qur'an, and the Torah just to name a few), or scientists (like myself) who repeatedly test, ask, answer, prod and seek the truth. ?
Don't get me started on people who believe in that...
Hence, that's how God was created, by man. So, who do we trust, the men who wrote the many holy books (Bible, Qur'an, and the Torah just to name a few), or scientists (like myself) who repeatedly test, ask, answer, prod and seek the truth. ?
Hence, that's how God was created, by man. So, who do we trust, the men who wrote the many holy books (Bible, Qur'an, and the Torah just to name a few), or scientists (like myself) who repeatedly test, ask, answer, prod and seek the truth. ?
NOOOOOO.
How can you trust the bible .... when the bible was made by man.
the bible was not made by man, it was but into words on paper *well stone* by man, but God told them what to say, and how to say it.
Well if that happened don't you think the bible would have been worded a bit differently so that people didn't interpret it in so many ways???
Also it's a proven scientific fact that if you hear a voice in your head and actually communicate with it and it's not your voice you're mentally insane.
the bible was not made by man, it was but into words on paper *well stone* by man, but God told them what to say, and how to say it.
assuming this is correct then god couldn't keep his story straight considering all the contradictions in the bible.
Even if it was without the contradictions it is very poorly worded for being something that is suppose to be authored by a omniscient being.
Even if it's divinely inspired had no contradictions and was worded perfectly a group of men got together years ago and did a pick and choose as to what is and is not canon to the bible. There is plenty written all supposedly divinely inspired that was left out. Furthermore men years later had to reinterpret what was in the bible from a then dead language leaving plenty of room for errors along the way.
the bible was not made by man, it was but into words on paper *well stone* by man, but God told them what to say, and how to say it.
Not true ...if you are going to debate for the Christian side you really must read the bible in its entirety. You're thinking about the story of Moses and the ten commandments, whereas the ten commandments (Not the entire bible) were written on stone tablets. Like I told you before the King James version of the bible (which is the Christian version) was written over a 1600 year time period. By the way, the natural laws of life, which is how people governed themselves and their morality BEFORE religion, are exactly the same as the ten commandments.
By the way, the natural laws of life, which is how people governed themselves and their morality BEFORE religion, are exactly the same as the ten commandments.
Well now, it can't be exactly the same. There are three commandments about honoring god, no idols, and not using god's name in vain. There's also one about keeping the sabbath holy or something. I don't mean to split hairs here, though. But with this statement now unqualified, which commandments are left? Also, how do we know what the moral standards were before the development of religion?
Like I told you before the King James version of the bible (which is the Christian version) was written over a 1600 year time period.
Not to mention the canonizing process cherry picked stories from hundreds of different bibles with different stories in them. Also, the original text of the bible has been translated so many hundreds, probably thousands of times that one has to wonder what may have been lost in translation. The way the books in the bible are ordered is not chronological. Plus, if you look at the bible from a historical context, keeping in mind when the books were actually written in relation to one another, gods mood is representative of the motivations of man. In the old testament the god of all Abrahamic religions mandated the destruction of entire peoples as well as the peaceful coexistence of his society with others, even if they had their own religion. This coincides with the political and economical relationship between "gods chosen people" and whoever else was around. Thus, if the leaders of "gods people" had advantageous relationships with their neighbors, god would say "Live with them and prosper, it is good!", but if their neighbors threatened them, god would say, "You must destroy them, they are enemies of me!" blah blah.
