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Flippin3500
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Strop made a thread about this a long time ago, but I couldn't find it. Even if I did, I would get yelled at for raising the dead, so lets just continue conversation here.

You guys may not understand what I'm trying to ask, but it's okay. I'll try to explain.

Do you think God, If there is one, would allow a person to go back in time and change history?

This thread is mostly for Christians, but you atheist may join in too. Since I'm an atheist I think this will be interesting.

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Red42321
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I'm not sure why he wouldn't allow it? Wouldn't the person changing history be part of his master plan?

DaveLopo
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I'm not sure why he wouldn't allow it? Wouldn't the person changing history be part of his master plan?
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No... not necessarily. It's not like He says, "Hey, I won't let you do that thing. *Stops you from doing it*"

DaveLopo
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Oh, and time travel involving changing history in the slightest = paradox, almost every time. thus I doubt there ever will be time travel.

Red42321
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No... not necessarily. It's not like He says, "Hey, I won't let you do that thing. *Stops you from doing it*"


What I mean is, hadn't he had already planned for it to happen? Sort of like the no free will thing that some religions talk about.
DaveLopo
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What I mean is, hadn't he had already planned for it to happen? Sort of like the no free will thing that some religions talk about.
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It's not like he wanted hurricanes and terrorism to happen.

I believe we have free will.

Flippin3500
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Well, wouldn't time travel go against religion? Explain.

valkyrie1119
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God doesn't exist in my opinion.

Moreover, it doesn't have to do with religion, it has to do with technology, science, the human intellect, and whether or not we live long enough to create it. It would take thousands of years before we could be able to transport sub atomic particles through time, but how much longer for a biological organism that actually takes up mass in the universe? It could take millions of years. I don't think we'll last long enough for the technology to present itself.

DaveLopo
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Well, wouldn't time travel go against religion? Explain.
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No. I don't believe we ever will be able to travel through time (which would, of course, settle the entire argument, because no one can stop something that isn't and wont ever be, but, anyway)

Explain to me why you think it WOULD go against religion, then I'll explain why I'll think you're right/wrong.

valkyrie1119
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To answer your question, it really has nothing to do with God. Not because of belief, there's a little something you Christians harp on called "free will." I think time travel would be included.

Also, think about the idea of time travel. If we could time travel at some point in the future, wouldn't someone from the future come back in time to the present and tell us? Maybe these time travelers are hiding in Area 51, or maybe against their will...

Flippin3500
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Well, God doesn't exist, but if I had to support Christianity, here's my argument.

God wouldn't allow someone to travel through time and kill Jesus before he was sacrificed. He also wouldn't allow someone to go back and nuke Noah's ark.

There.

valkyrie1119
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God wouldn't allow someone to travel through time and kill Jesus before he was sacrificed. He also wouldn't allow someone to go back and nuke Noah's ark.


You're right. Theoretically speaking of course, if God were to exist he would not want his own son to be assassinated by a meddler of the future. Of course, that's speaking in arguable terms of whether or not God does or doesn't exist.
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The past could not be changed because then the present would not be the same. How do we not know the past has not been changed? If it was our collective memorys would only know that the change was always there. So if you could change the past no one would ever know, not even your self because you will be born to learn a history that has always been.

Flippin3500
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So you agree, right?

If God existed, which he doesn't, he wouldn't allow time travel.

In conclusion, if time travel were to ever be proven to be real, it would disprove and destroy any theistic beliefs. This is the point I'm trying to get to.

DaveLopo
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God wouldn't allow someone to travel through time and kill Jesus before he was sacrificed. He also wouldn't allow someone to go back and nuke Noah's ark.
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No. but those are God- involved things... But because I believe, once again, that any change in the slightest can cause a paradox, I don't believe there will ever be time travel at all. I guess I'll try talk in terms of someone who thinks Time Traveling will eventually be possible...

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How would god intervene? it would destroy the principle of free will.
If I built a time machine would God strike me with thunder knowing that he knew that I was going to go back in time and shoot 6 pound 8oz. baby Jesus? ( I have no freaking idea what the hell that is in kilograms sorry.) Would he kill me as soon as I but the barrel of a .50 magnum on Christ's forehead?

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