Think about it, what is religion? The belief in something that cannot be proven, that has many, many things that as of yet we have found impossible, and in many people, it is unshakeable. Now I am not saying that all religious people are going to go kill someone or end up in an assylum, but think, in every religion, the basis is something that cannot be know, but is only faith. Faith in something that could turn out to be wrong, faith in something that you have absolutely no way of knowing. Also, think how many of these religions started, some person got a message from a "god" that told them what to do. Don't go crazy on me, I just want people to think about it.
But, does science threaten to undermine the justification for theistic belief?
Sorry for skipping over your post there.
I'm going to have to say yes. The more we learn about the universe the fewer places there are for such beliefs to be able to hide in. The gaps in our knowledge are slowly being filled.
Would we be asking the reversal of question if modern science was around first?
I would think that, if modern science had somehow been developed without religion, then no we wouldn't be asked the reversed question. There would be no need to posit God as an explanatory force in the universe. But this question is a bit of a red herring. We need to look at how the situation is now and decide if science undermines religious belief. Personally, I think if the theist takes as proof of God the unexplained, then science will certain threaten these beliefs. That leaves the theist with the position that God works through the laws of nature. There's nothing inconsistent in that - it's just not verifiable.
Would we be asking the reversal of question if modern science was around first?
I would think that, if modern science had somehow been developed without religion, then no we wouldn't be asked the reversed question. There would be no need to posit God as an explanatory force in the universe. But this question is a bit of a red herring. We need to look at how the situation is now and decide if science undermines religious belief. Personally, I think if the theist takes as proof of God the unexplained, then science will certain threaten these beliefs. That leaves the theist with the position that God works through the laws of nature. There's nothing inconsistent in that - it's just not verifiable.
Would we be asking the reversal of question if modern science was around first?
I don't think so for one reason. Science was MADE to be questioned. Each new theory or accepted belief has been reviewed, tested and put to the extreme by millions of people. Whereas religion, is just started by one person saying, "This god spoke to me and we should listen" There is no way that I know of that anyone else OUTSIDE of that religion can ever find any evidence or a path to logical reasoning besides "something must have created the universe" Science isn't made to be a follow this or you go to hell type of thing, it's the search and understanding of knowledge.
This is why i dont belive in gods. It all just made up.
Science isn't made to be a follow this or you go to hell type of thing, it's the search and understanding of knowledge.
That is true, but no doubt someone of the faith would say the same. It's a matter of perspective. Not to mention the christians on this thread aren't really master debaters, they're just here for fun. A more experienced layman may be able to shine a little more light on the faith.
I think the quality of this thread is dropping drastically.
Just because you're making stupid comments like
Theory. You don't know... dimwit.
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This is why i dont belive in gods. It all just made up.
I don't think so for one reason. Science was MADE to be questioned.
By saying that science was made, you are implying that there was a creator to it. Anything that is made, must be first created, its simple logic. So What then, created the science?
By saying that science was made, you are implying that there was a creator to it. Anything that is made, must be first created, its simple logic. So What then, created the science?
It would be more accurate to say the scientific method was developed rather then created. As for who developed it that would be humans. The earliest culture known to use these procedures were the ancient Egyptians. However the modern form was developed around the 17-18th century.
