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Who thinks we all need health care? I mean it may be expensive but canada did it germany did it, and there system works. I hope they pass the health care bill.

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The GDP is the market value of all final goods and services from a nation in a given year. That is not the same thing as profits. I a good costs $100 to make it would be that much towards the GDP but the actual profits on it may only be $50.

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Lower taxes for the poor, raise them for the rich.


I agree but my taxes would go up
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You claim to be 13 moron.

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Why should the rich have to lose more than the poor? Not all rich people are thieves, and not all poor people are innocent. Let everyone pay relatively the same percent in taxes! Equality for everyone! Everyone works, everyone pays!


I actually do agree with you in pricnciple, however you also have to consider that the upper echelons of the progressive tax system in America pay for over 80% of the total income revenue the government gets. If you make everyone pay the same relative percentage, money has to come from somewhere.

My thoughts on the tax system are thus:

Raise the no tax threshold to $10k. Nothing under that amount gets taxed. Everyone pays 20% or some similar value in tax on their income. Thus the tax would still be progressive. 20% of someone earning $20k per year, with the $10k no tax threshold accounted for, would only have to pay 20% on $10k - $2k, so overall they keep $18k. Someone who earns $100k pays 20% on $90k - $18k, so in total they get to keep $88k, nominally and proportionally they are getting taxed much higher than the average poor citizen, however the tax is still low enough as to incentivise people to work harder and longer.

In order to pick up the government's shortfall carbon should be taxed much more heavily. This would be a much needed addition to the US tax system , which relies far too much on income and far too little on indirect taxation.

Thus, the poor, the rich and the planet all benefit. Everyone is happy.

A tad off topic, but I guess since a large part of the healthcare problem is due to America's phobia of taxing the rich to give to the poor, this could be part of the solution.
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The thing that pisses me off is that the IRS is not even a government institution. They are merely hired by the government to do the act they love so much, taking our money. And they tell the government how much costs it took to collect and get a check written to whatever amount they claim.

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The thing that pisses me off is that the IRS is not even a government institution.


And if it WAS a government institution, you'd whine about big government being all up in your shit. Don't even start.

Hardly anything that the government does is carried out by the government itself; contractors and private service/goods providers often offer better salaries, as well as better benefits, than any government institution can offer, and thus, expertise tends to be centered in the private institutions.

And because the expertise is concentrated there instead of the government, the government frequently ends up paying the same people to do the same job, but at a higher rate than before, and through more red tape and bureaucracy.
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im only righting this comment to put this forum at the top of the list

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