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Global warming is real right? I mean the green house effect is real but there is so much controversy about if its man made or not, and even if it is man made will it kill us all. I think that it is man made and it will kill us all, but i want your opinion.

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EnterOrion
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That may be true but if the average temperature rises by so much as 4 degrees celcius then without the release of methane from oceans or not we would die.


If you're trying to say if it gets 4 degrees warmer methane will release, then I must say it again.

Bottoms of oceans are very cold, no matter where you are.


If you'd like me to explain, then I can write a mini-essay for you.
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EnterOrion, the methane reserves at the bottoms of the oceans are barely frozen. It doesn't matter how cold they are right now. If the average temperature rose then the methane would unfreeze. I know the bottom of oceans are cold. The point is that if the temperature of that water is just a little warmer it will unfreeze.

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EnterOrion, the methane reserves at the bottoms of the oceans are barely frozen. It doesn't matter how cold they are right now. If the average temperature rose then the methane would unfreeze. I know the bottom of oceans are cold. The point is that if the temperature of that water is just a little warmer it will unfreeze.


*sigh* If I must.

Bottoms of oceans are NOT affected by outside temperatures. You know why? Because they have thousands of tons of water between them and the surface, and it exerts enormous amounts of pressure of methane. In fact, on everything down there. It is sub freezing by a long shot. Everything down there is frozen. Trust me, it will not come unfrozen unless we go upwards of 40C in average temperature. By that points, there wouldn't be much of an Earth alive.

It won't.
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EnterOrion, the methane reserves at the bottoms of the oceans are barely frozen. It doesn't matter how cold they are right now. If the average temperature rose then the methane would unfreeze. I know the bottom of oceans are cold. The point is that if the temperature of that water is just a little warmer it will unfreeze.


It is cold at the bottom of the ocean, 4 degrees avarage temperature whould probably be less then 1 degree. And I doupt that whould be enough to release enough methane to change much.
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And I doupt that whould be enough to release enough methane to change much.


Interestingly enough, something similar is supposed to be happening with CO2 in permafrost. Scientists have observed that steady increases in temperature are causing permafrost, land which is supposed to be permanently iced over, to slowly begin to thaw.

Underneath the permafrost lies roughly 1 trillion gigatons worth of CO2 in biomatter that hasn't been able to decompose for millions of years. In comparison, humankind has released 450 BILLION gigatons of CO2 through the burning of fossil fuels.
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We could argue here all we want, but looking at this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FfHW7KR33IQ&feature=related

Al Gore is getting owned by 30,000 scientists including 9,000 phds.

So, we could believe this Al Gore guy and the greenies, or we could listen to 30,000 scientists / 9,000 scientists with phds.

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It is cold at the bottom of the ocean, 4 degrees avarage temperature whould probably be less then 1 degree. And I doupt that whould be enough to release enough methane to change much.
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Oh it would. It is barely frozen and very unstable. If the water temperature changed by about 1 degree celcius then it would slowly unfreeze and I am not talking about half a nanometer a year unfreezing I am talking about the whole thing in about a month or two.
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Oh it would. It is barely frozen and very unstable. If the water temperature changed by about 1 degree celcius then it would slowly unfreeze and I am not talking about half a nanometer a year unfreezing I am talking about the whole thing in about a month or two.


But it doesn't change. At all. Nothing under pressure does.

You can take a can of silly string, stick it in the Arizona sun (120 or so), spray it on yourself, and it would be no different as if you had it in Northern Idaho.

That's only 1/500th of the kinds of pressures that are at the bottom.
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oh thats weird. i thought all you followers of "global warming" changed it to "climate change". well i think its just another way for the government to scare people into thinkin that we need a powerful and controllling government to take care of these thing. its no the 1st time that the earth has gone through such changes. theres evidence that in the past there has been ice ages on earth several times, as well as other changes. its a load of shit

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So, we could believe this Al Gore guy and the greenies, or we could listen to 30,000 scientists / 9,000 scientists with phds.


the majority of scientists do believe in the general outline put forward by Al Gore.

to turn the tables, there's evidence of oil companies bribing scientsts to denounce global warming. there's cash at stake for both sides of the argument, so saying ''it's all a scame to make money!'' doesn't really work.

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Crap and trash is what Al Gore is promoting. Don't you guy realize that oil reserves will be depleted soon enough? There will be no more carbon to burn.
As of the methane problem, methane is unstable so it won't stay in the atmosphere for long. Please be reminded that there is a large cloud of methane over rain forests. It is the normal excretion of plants and animals. But methane is going to reduce because the oil can't sustain the agriculture very soon.

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there's a general consensus that climate change IS occuring, and there's a general degree of certainty that it is man-made among the scientific community.


What Scientific community has the "general consesus" that climate change is man-made? Please read this article More Than 700 International Scientists Dissent Over Man-Made Global Warming Claims .

I am an environmental scientist and have been since 1999. I have yet to read a valid report or journal that scientifically proved that climate change is man-made. If you have a study that proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that climate change is man-made, please allow me to read it and I would be more then happy to share it with my colleagues. However, I must point out that my colleagues and I know that climate change has happened many times in the history of this earth, before man even existed; and climate change will happen many times again. It's the cycle of this planet we live on. A cycle that consist of many natural components which contribute to "global warming".
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BTW - Most current scientific studies and data are pointing towards a "cooling trend".

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I think it was in 1970's (?) can't remember, they were all going on about a global iceage.

Now it's just turned around to global warming.

Source

"The media had been spreading warnings of a cooling period since the 1950s, but those alarms grew louder in the 1970s. In 1975, cooling went from "one of the most important problems" to a first-place tie for "death and misery". The claims of global catastrophe were remarkably similar to what the media deliver now about global warming"
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People have to remember that Science is not about a majority rule. If everyone but 1 person says the earth is flat, which one would be correct?

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