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Owen135731
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If God made everything, then who (or what) made god?

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Nurvana
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That would still leave me. Unless your saying I'm lying as well, in which case you can go fornicate yourself with a cross or what ever other religious symbols you happen to have laying around.


Tut tut. Besides, when you say that it's totally ridiculous that God exists because there's no evidence, then why can't I speculate that you're lying?
MageGrayWolf
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Tut tut. Besides, when you say that it's totally ridiculous that God exists because there's no evidence, then why can't I speculate that you're lying?


Well I can't stop you from speculating that but I don't appreciate being called a lair when I'm not lying. So like I said if this is the case then you can go fornicate yourself with a cross or what ever other religious symbol you have around.
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Well I can't stop you from speculating that but I don't appreciate being called a lair when I'm not lying. So like I said if this is the case then you can go fornicate yourself with a cross or what ever other religious symbol you have around.


Perhaps I don't appreciate you telling me God doesn't exist.
MageGrayWolf
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Perhaps I don't appreciate you telling me God doesn't exist.


Well all you have to do is show me the evidence he exists. If there is no evidence then it's reasonable to assume he doesn't.
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Well all you have to do is show me the evidence he exists. If there is no evidence then it's reasonable to assume he doesn't.


There is next to no chance that this world would have come about randomly without the the help of divine intervention.

Where is your evidence that you are not lying?
MageGrayWolf
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There is next to no chance that this world would have come about randomly without the the help of divine intervention.


Considering we have evidence of other possible ways our solar system could have formed I'm afraid this is pretty poor evidence to say the least.

Where is your evidence that you are not lying?


I see what your trying to do here. But the claim that material on the internet help me to arrive at my current position on God is quite plausible. Just as rafterman claim. You clearly are trying to compare this to the statement God exists which is a very incredible claim to be making, as such need evidence to support it to be believable.

And seeing as your trying to imply that I am lying then go fornicate yourself with a cross or what ever other religious symbol you have around. In other words take your religion and go *&%^ yourself.
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I see what your trying to do here. But the claim that material on the internet help me to arrive at my current position on God is quite plausible. Just as rafterman claim. You clearly are trying to compare this to the statement God exists which is a very incredible claim to be making, as such need evidence to support it to be believable.

And seeing as your trying to imply that I am lying then go fornicate yourself with a cross or what ever other religious symbol you have around. In other words take your religion and go *&%^ yourself.


It may not be on the same scale, but it is comparable. You have no right claiming something is true when no one has evidence that it is, then claiming something is NOT true because of your own claim to lack of evidence. And by the way, there is no need to use language or such vulgar sayings of other's beliefs; Control yourself.
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Goddam, this thread grew while I was away . . . .

Basically, that's an argument for both sides, as 'matter' and 'God' are easily replaced in this. :/

And about that time theory, between the Big Crunches and Big Bangs, there is mass, therefore it exists in a point of time, therefore there is time. And how can this cyclical representation of time suddenly straighten out to a linear representation?


It doesn't. There is a space between each crunch-bang where there is no time, that obviously doesn't last any time due to the fact there's no time during that part.

The crunch doesn't go directly to the bang - it has to re-reach critical mass.

Exactly. Evolution has to start from A SINGLE ORGANISM. What makes it so hard to accept the fact that a super organism was the first to evolve to the point of absolute perfection in his whole species, and didn't have the chance to pass on his ultimate genes to the next generation because the Big Crunch or whatever happens? Anyways, that's just a theory, and I don't really believe it. I simply thought it up to prove the point that God is indeed plausible. :/


If god is a hyperevolved organism, god would have to have had a beginning.

It's nice to see people who offer plausible rebuttals! Shame you're not one of them...


It's nice to see people who accidentally lead to a long line of crazy confuzzling replies by saying something catchy! Shame you're one of them . . . . :P

That was a little bit a fail too, because I could have said that about what thisisnotanalt's last post.


Said what about which post? *confuzzlement*

Where is your evidence that you are not lying?


By indirectly claiming he was lying, you put the burden of proof on yourself. So get some proof.

Mage, I know he's annoying, but cmon, be polite.
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Said what about which post? *confuzzlement*


When you're all like, "You are all losing badly!"

By indirectly claiming he was lying, you put the burden of proof on yourself. So get some proof.


Double confuzzlement. What are you saying?
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Considering we have evidence of other possible ways our solar system could have formed I'm afraid this is pretty poor evidence to say the least.


Yeah, like "The stars made it" XD
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It may not be on the same scale, but it is comparable. You have no right claiming something is true when no one has evidence that it is, then claiming something is NOT true because of your own claim to lack of evidence.


Yes it is. It's like the difference between saying "I had bacon and eggs this morning." and saying "I had bacon and eggs on Mars with Elvis and a space alien this morning."

One can be believable based on reason while again based on reason the other will need something to back it up.

And by the way, there is no need to use language or such vulgar sayings of other's beliefs; Control yourself.


I'm am quite calm and in control telling you to go *&%^ yourself. Seeing as this is on a religious topic I include that as well. Like I said if your going to be calling me a lair when I'm not lying then I'm going to tell you off.
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Yes it is. It's like the difference between saying "I had bacon and eggs this morning." and saying "I had bacon and eggs on Mars with Elvis and a space alien this morning."

One can be believable based on reason while again based on reason the other will need something to back it up.


You consider your word to be reason?

I'm am quite calm and in control telling you to go *&%^ yourself. Seeing as this is on a religious topic I include that as well. Like I said if your going to be calling me a lair when I'm not lying then I'm going to tell you off.


I'm not saying you're not calm, I'm just saying it doesn't say a lot about you when you cuss during a debate.
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When you're all like, "You are all losing badly!"


I never said that in this thread :P

Double confuzzlement. What are you saying?


You indirectly claimed he was lying, and since you made the first claim you must prove he was lying. Asking for proof he wasn't isn't supporting yourself and makes your statement null.

I'm am quite calm and in control telling you to go *&%^ yourself. Seeing as this is on a religious topic I include that as well. Like I said if your going to be calling me a lair when I'm not lying then I'm going to tell you off.


A calm and controlled insult is still an insult. That goes for everyone.
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You consider your word to be reason?


I'm just going to cut you off right here. I've seen your tactics on here before and I'm tire of playing merry-go-round.

I'm not saying you're not calm, I'm just saying it doesn't say a lot about you when you cuss during a debate.


I really couldn't care less what it says about me or perhaps what you think it says about me. You should feel special I usually reserve it for when I'm just getting annoyed at the sheer stupidity of a person.
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If God made everything, then who (or what) made god?


I have found the answer. Behold!

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