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Rinjo
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I'm creating this thread to discuss the international involvement in the so-called "crisis" in Haiti. Am I the only one who believes that Haiti should solve its own problems? Haiti contributes virtually nothing to the US economy or the economies of the other global superpowers. Why should we be trying to solve their problems when we have those of our own? I say that we let them deal with their own problems. Our involvement there isn't going to help them contribute to the world and it's only digging us deeper into the recession.

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destroyerkevin
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ok to those who say they shouldnt be helped you are completly wrong sure theres problems in america but 10 homeless in 100 people versus 90 homeless heavenly wounded people out off the 100 is an entire different thing those people are starving and suffering while you have a pc and even have the time to post here so do I but my point is we live a good live and theres people out there who have a horrible life maybe you should consider what you post here a bit better and maybe giveaway your pc,mobhile phone and whatever technology you have do that forever and even then stil you will have it easy compared to the people in haiti

what if you were one off those people and no one helped you you could get killed,starve off hunger or off being heavy wounded that doesnt seems nice now does it and thats exactly why we should help them because we easily could have been those people if we lived or werw you born there its not about our problems its about alot off greed if you think that the money they get isnt deserved

bazaar
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saying that we can't help Haiti because America has its own problems is like saying you can't help a man drowning in a lake because you're an alcoholic.

Xervicx
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Why should we be trying to solve their problems when we have those of our own?


If only people would have said that about the dozens of other "disasters" that occurred throughout the world that the US decided it needed to help other nations recover from.

However, the crisis in Haiti needs attention. In a short period of time, over 100,000 people were killed. Oh forgive me... actually it was 200,000 people within the first few days. The number rose higher and higher. The barely had anything to begin with, and what they had was destroyed for the most part. Finally the US sticks its nose somewhere where it is needed.
Rinjo
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How can you not tremble at the thought of hundreds of thousands dead and equate our problems with such misery? Our homeless live better than their average citizen.


Are you telling me that if you met a homeless person, you would give up your paycheck and sell your house so that they were comfortable?

No, its our humanitarian duty to do so.


If you truly believe human nature is to help one another, you're truly a fool. Before peace came war. Before love came hate. Before togetherness came anger. The secret truth about humans is that we are beings of jealousy, hatred, and anger. It's foolish to ignore it and even more foolish to blatantly deny it.
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You're an idiot rinjo, Haiti has no functioning government. There are no rich people, no good hospitals. They have NO money. not even the government. Even corrupt officials are poor.

How do you expect them to help themselves.


The secret truth about humans is that we are beings of jealousy, hatred, and anger


So should our politics reflect that? Should we go around taking peoples land?
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You're an idiot rinjo, Haiti has no functioning government. There are no rich people, no good hospitals. They have NO money. not even the government. Even corrupt officials are poor.
we've given them more than enough money over the years even before this earth quake and still DID NOT improve them selves we only made there corrupt leaders richer as we are now you can only help some one so much before you begin to disable them

P.S awesome aramtor XD
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If you truly believe human nature is to help one another, you're truly a fool.


Lol, no totally. I totally secretly want to kill everyone in the world.
And no, charities don't exist. Neither does guilt nor empathy.

Idealist bullshit.

Austin, you still cannot deny that sending aid to Haiti right now isn't going to save lives. Were not giving money to their government(Which is very corrupt), were using the money to send humanitarian aid.

And your right, sending billions isn't going to do much for Haiti if they still have the rich and corrupt leaders who exploit everyone. They need revolutionary change.
Ironically though, they had a progressive leader named Artiside that made many progressive reforms, but he was ousted by a US supported coup ='/
Rinjo
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Lol, no totally. I totally secretly want to kill everyone in the world.
And no, charities don't exist. Neither does guilt nor empathy.


You believe that charities are made because people truly want to help others? You're more of an idiot than the original poster. Charities are this: They pretend to want to help people, and while they actually do end of helping, they are made for the sole reason of gaining reputation as a good person. They do it to give themselves a big clap on the back and to get connections. No one does anything unless it helps them, whether in the short term or long term.
Rinjo
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You're an idiot rinjo, Haiti has no functioning government. There are no rich people, no good hospitals. They have NO money. not even the government. Even corrupt officials are poor.


Please, enlighten me as to how that's our problem? By us solving their problems, what good does it do them? They need to figure out how to get themselves out of the shit they're in. If we were in their shoes, how much help do you think Haiti would be sending our way?
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If we help Haiti everytime they get in trouble, they'll never learn how to handle anything, so when America isn't there to save their collective ass, they won't have any idea what to do. We're screwing them over by helping them. They need to learn to deal with this now, so when an actual crisis strikes, they won't devolve to a giant clusterbleep! Yeah, I just censored myself. Deal with it.

Rinjo
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If we help Haiti everytime they get in trouble, they'll never learn how to handle anything, so when America isn't there to save their collective ***, they won't have any idea what to do. We're screwing them over by helping them. They need to learn to deal with this now, so when an actual crisis strikes, they won't devolve to a giant clusterbleep! Yeah, I just censored myself. Deal with it.


This.
KeyanPace
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Elaborate.

mxbmnn
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I believe no-one should help Haiti.

Rinjo
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I believe no-one should help Haiti.


You should elaborate on this, considering this is more of a debate thread now.
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Im a Dominican, and Haiti is a foe for me. I have relatives in Haiti, but I have fought in Haiti, fighting their army (Which is rationally pathetic) Some years ago.

However, America is also part of the blame. Haiti HAS contributed to America, supporting it's infrastructure. Cuba was the same way. In cuba, Cuba was sending 1 Billion dolllars per year to the United States, and then, once a rebellion hits there, and they actually get on track, you guys shun them. DAMN THE USA. Im not a hater of the people, but your nation is a pile of crap. you should help, as it is your crime, as well as Dominican Republics, that Haiti is in such a bad position. Mabye if America didn't privatise other nations for their own gain, as they are doing in China, we cheap labour forces and overworking them, and then blaming them if theyre companies are attacked, calling them cutthraots, terrosirists, communuists, or whatever, or when a Natio nis trying to re assemble itself to actually have a government, and then you call them terroists for doing so. Yet the Americans fund Geurilla fighter's, asd they have odne in Afghanistan, and Panama, And now they betray their old allies when they prove they are of no use anymore. Shame on you.
It is your duty now, since you haven taken the role as the Fundementalist Police state of the world. America should do it now, as they have crime to repent for. That is my beleif. Im nto saying any other country is free of guilt eithietr, but America has alot of crimes going agaisnt it.

So, if you don't help Haiti, you will get more Pyschopathic Bomber's, who demolished your world trade centre, because your nation did not repent for it's crimes toward another land.

So, eithier keep your noses out of other's bussinesses, or you better deal with the consqeunces. Eithier way, just do what it is required of you, and stop hiding behind your own problems. America may have homeless, but thats her fault for nto providing for them. America may be in a recession, but thats due to your over induldged military budget. And also, your dependencies of oil have come crashing down on you now, but that is still your natiosn fault, for not taking action for translating your industry, to a more profitable long wise industry. I am not here to put a donkeys tail on America. But I can't simply stand here and just overlook such statements. That is my opinion, but the things I have said of America are facts. My wish, is that the nation of America, of which it once was, the Nation of the free, the nation of the revolution, liberty, will arise again. Buyt all I see is the nation of corruption, indeceny, and snobbiness. So eithier change your bloody slogan as well, or actually tune into what your nation was founded for. The Terroirists who did found your nation, and yes, they were terroirists, Geurilla's, Pirates, and Rebels, who did found your nation, step up to your responsibilities, and show what America could actually be for the world, rather then a shovenistic jerk, helping a country in need with a small sum, to just draw the eyes of the world to look the other way, while your nation bombs and pillages other nations lesser then that of America.



End of my rant. Im sorry of being such a pester, and a America hater at the moment, but I could not hold back. I needed to let out what I had to say, because it's what I see.

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