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Rinjo
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I'm creating this thread to discuss the international involvement in the so-called "crisis" in Haiti. Am I the only one who believes that Haiti should solve its own problems? Haiti contributes virtually nothing to the US economy or the economies of the other global superpowers. Why should we be trying to solve their problems when we have those of our own? I say that we let them deal with their own problems. Our involvement there isn't going to help them contribute to the world and it's only digging us deeper into the recession.

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Rinjo
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For no reason


The reason is an earthquake. There's clearly a reason fool.
bacobit
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It seems some people over look something about haiti,if we didn't help haiti china posable could and try to turn it into a communist country, and as everyone knows usa dosn't like communst countrys,it might not of happened but should we take that chance.

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The reason we are helping them, is not becuse we care AT ALL, about there people. The only thing is, if the country was to be invaded by (just an example, no offense to anyone) North Korea. They would be VERY close to our southern boarders causing alot of fear. If this where to occur, we would have to send troops there, invading a north korean land, casue war with korea, and its allies, and then WW3.

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I believe that we should help them to some extent. You need to help others to gain allies. If we didn't help them, then they might have another countries back if there were another world wide war. They do need to help themselves too though. Otherwise they will become dependent on others and will pay for it some time or another.

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Otherwise they will become dependent on others and will pay for it some time or another.


Unfortunately, they already are dependent on others. The country's debt is and has been too overwhelming.
adios194
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Unfortunately, they already are dependent on others. The country's debt is and has been too overwhelming.

Haiti's debt or the U.S.'s debt?
knight_34
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Haiti's debt or the U.S.'s debt?


Haiti's. Though apparently part of their debt was canceled last year.
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Yeah, the U.S. is in alot more debt.

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OK one big question...besides the whole poverty thing and comparing ones standard of living to another person in a poorer country...

How Many of You have been through a Natural Disaster?

I Have been through several floods and hurricanes, most when I was younger, my neighborhood got flooded several times there was plenty of damage and lots of repairs...no government helped Us? The only time I remember the government ever doing something was to fix a broken waterline on the road and thats it...don't say we live in a society that can have the luxury of a few dozen people having to fix their own problems, because if we can send a hundred million dollars to a country that is in a terrible situation due to its own geology how can we fix our own problems when politicians play their own hand to gain a little reputation for an election that will come down the road once this disaster is Fixed.

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How Many of You have been through a Natural Disaster?

I Have been through several floods and hurricanes, most when I was younger, my neighborhood got flooded several times there was plenty of damage and lots of repairs...no government helped Us? The only time I remember the government ever doing something was to fix a broken waterline on the road and thats it...don't say we live in a society that can have the luxury of a few dozen people having to fix their own problems, because if we can send a hundred million dollars to a country that is in a terrible situation due to its own geology how can we fix our own problems when politicians play their own hand to gain a little reputation for an election that will come down the road once this disaster is Fixed.


I have, tornadoes, blizzards...

You can't compare damage in the U.S. to damage in Haiti. They have poorly built shacks, we have houses.
They have 20 people per shack, we have an average of 6 per house. The population is denser there, combine that with building that collapse easily and you have tons of deaths.
Also, I'm pretty sure you have a lot more money than those in Haiti.
The damage was also probably on a smaller scale.
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I'm creating this thread to discuss the international involvement in the so-called "crisis" in Haiti. Am I the only one who believes that Haiti should solve its own problems? Haiti contributes virtually nothing to the US economy or the economies of the other global superpowers. Why should we be trying to solve their problems when we have those of our own? I say that we let them deal with their own problems. Our involvement there isn't going to help them contribute to the world and it's only digging us deeper into the recession.

I agree whole heartedly I think Canada shouldn't help Haiti because we have our own problems just like we shouldn't help Africa because the less people on this Earth the better at the moment, because until they do something for us we shouldn't do squat for em.

It's like if my neighbor had a flood in there house with a broken pipe me nor any random person they ever met is gonna feed em or give em money.

Are you guys joking me? This crisis is not about economics its HUMANITARIAN AID.

Humanitarian Aid is a bunch of crap, in general humans are cold hearted, greedy, self-observed. And Humanitarian Aid was just created so countries can look good when they really don't give a crap.

I think haiti isn't a friend or a foe because because haiti is like a beggar on the streets you feel sorry for them give em a dollar or two but you won'y call him a friend or a foe.

Don't get me wrong I think we should help poor countries when and ONLY if were in a practically perfect state which won't happen for a while.
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in general humans are cold hearted, greedy, self-observed.


. . . except for the people who give humanitarian aid . . . .

Really, just because most people are like that doesn't mean that helping people is a load of crap. It just means that a lot of people don't want to do so.

A lot of government-sanctioned aid has ulterior motives, but quite frankly I see foreign aid as an area where consequentialism is acceptable. Even if the organizations are corrupt, they still do good, and the individual donators are giving money to help, not to improve their national standing. If people want to use their extra cash to help save the lives of people from foreign countries who're dying, is there really anything really bad about that?
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friend

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I'm creating this thread to discuss the international involvement in the so-called "crisis" in Haiti. Am I the only one who believes that Haiti should solve its own problems? Haiti contributes virtually nothing to the US economy or the economies of the other global superpowers. Why should we be trying to solve their problems when we have those of our own? I say that we let them deal with their own problems. Our involvement there isn't going to help them contribute to the world and it's only digging us deeper into the recession.


because we are all humans and as long as humans are around,this will continue to happen

agreeg with alt

people who help and expect a thank you,whether they get it or not,are idiots(though helpful albiet) and will leave once they do not get it or feel that it's worthless,those people are imature in some extent,and if they do get their "thank you",they may leave after feeling satisfied,continue for more thank yous and leave once the free flow of thank yous stop,or think about what they really want and maybe(just maybe) become more selfless
those who help others without expecting a thank you are people who are really helping,and might as well be known as a saint,no matter how small the deed,but their "saintness" may crumble,as they are also blessed with a human wellspring of the heart,also known as emotions,and no matter how kind you are,the shadow of anger will always be hiding inside you like a stealthed parasite,and may emerge as the dominant emotion after situation-changing events
and those that need no thank you,but get one,are so nice that people really apprecciate them,and sometimes,thats how our horde of idiots come from,thats also why idiots stop being helpful and leave for their own "selfish" ambitions

and i think,the world has yet to become "emotionally un-inhabitable"
also,i think whether haiti is a friend or foe,it does not matter,but i think whether haiti is a parasite or just a soon to be dead plant should be a more relavant title

ps.im not talking abt wat all the governments are doing,but the people in the population,and thus,im not including governmental powers,funds,and whatever else,though i will be inevitably missing out an important factor,but thats because im imature in some extent and do not understand politically deep things as well as most
(i fall asleep trying to listen to political leaders talk about politics,exept for foreign ones,and thats only due to their wierd accent when speaking english lol EG.indian,japanese,chinese,other than that,ill be talking about school love affairs lol)
Drace
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people who help and expect a thank you,whether they get it or not,are idiots


Not really.

All help is focused on self interest really. It is still self interest whether you do it to satisfy your own care for others or if you help for a physical reward.

But whats disgusting is to see people who have no emotional care for others.
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