I don't believe Deomons, Ghosts, or Angels are real. There is no proof what so ever if any one can find me proof or a link to the evidence that they are real plz show me.
i believe in angels and demons, but not ghosts. i think ghosts are just demons.
Which indirectly implies you believe in ghosts.
Are Demons, Ghosts, or Angels real?
You see the belief in the paranormal has lead to the human mind to come up with a rational to explain it. Most feel it is either due to the psychology of a person or due to a "camera-trick" while some believe it to be true due to a cause.
A research had hypothesized that the human brain tends to give a shape to an incoherent pattern. For instance, the images of "ghastly" beings, which may apparently be nothing but dust or merely a shadow. However, unless further proof is obtained further say on this the matter will be quite obscure in my opinion.
I believe in all three. Souls can be trapped, Heaven is real to me, and so is Hell, (Scarily) Thus the population of said places is real to me as well. Ghosts have many reports, Demons less, Angels some. They exist. Maybe just in the human brain, but they have been seen nonetheless.
I believe all of you are missing the point. Moe's and maybe LightCrux's posts are the only legit posts in this whole thread. The whole point of this thread is about trying to establish whether or not these things exists, not whether you believe they do or not. I could believe anything I wanted to! I could believe a pink unicorn that is invisible to everyone but me uses magic mayonnaise to create snow and its tears rivers. Is there EVIDENCE? No!
Many, many, many people have experiences. So what? That's not enough. Your experiences are purely psychological and your emotions of fear and anxiety are cranked up to 8.
No, we cannot prove whether or not they exist, because right now, this is purely speculation, and there is no irrefutable evidence for each. I can however, prove the causes of such experiences.
I am an atheist but I have seen many ghosts. So I believe that either ghosts are real but not neccesarily created by a deity for a purpose, or part of the human psyche causes the experience of seeing (and somethimes feeling) a ghost, the experiences of which can be shared either through subconcious suggestion or an unknown link between the human minds. Neither of the two theories I have suggested have no evidence to back it up, so I am undecided. But one thing is for certain, I have 'seen' ghosts and so have others. This connection must hold some meaning, of which is yet to be known.
There was a time when people thought undiscovered continents were inhabited by humanoids with one leg, or with a dog head, or with one eye. Every cult or religion has it's mythological creatures (angels or demons for example). Still today, people are convinced of seeing UFO's when they only see weird clouds or meteorological balloons, or ghosts on a photograph when they only see some weird white spot.. I can tell that humans are eager to identify the unidentifiable with something they know, that's why you can look at a cloud and say, 'That one looks like...'. And they're also eager to invent extravagant monsters to make the world less banal than it seems for them. Of course, if you're a christian, your faith tells you that these exist, but it's the only thing you got, faith. There hasn't been a sinlge proven case of ghost, angel or demon watching, while there has been many proven weird white spots on photographs (for example). I don't believe in any mythological or supernatural creature, simply because the world we live in would be a very different one if they did. And also because of the above stated reasons. But I know that there are/were some really weird animals out there, who are perfectly real, and worth studying
I have 'seen' ghosts and so have others. This connection must hold some meaning, of which is yet to be known.
There are a number of things that can produce what we perceive as being a ghost. Hallucinations generated by the mind (you don't have to be insane for this to happen either) Sensitivity to electromagnetic fields (This can even produce real physical effects such as objects being "thrown" across the room) Infrasound (Can produce similar eerie feels that electromagnetic field can. It can also physically vibrate the pupil producing visual distortions.) Light distortions out of the corner of your eye Other unnoticed causes (such as a crack in a window, an air vent) A prank (A person claimed that a ghost was in his house hearing knocking on his walls, during renewal of the house it turned out one of the original construction workers had placed knockers in his wall so that when the wind blew through certain shafts they would bang against the wall.)
@MageGrayWolf I meant that the fact that I and many others have seen an image of a person that isn't really there (a ghost), basing under the assumption that it is purely a psychological experience, suggests a common trait present in the human mind that causes these images of distinc persons. Yes you could sit there for hours listing possible causes for these experiences, and you can research all you like and gather statistical data to prove that certain conditions increase the likelyhood of such experiences. But my point is, you can only observe correlations but no one yet understands the deep-rooted cause for so many people to experience the same effect. And no, I'm not talking about objects flying, strange sounds at night and infinitely translatable images such as smudges in photos or strange lights. I'm just talking about the experience of seeing a person who isn't really there.
Also, my experiences have aparently no correlation to my mood or mental stability and I have experienced them in a variety of locations, most of which I have only experienced once per location and during a time when I can feel no significant difference in the environment. All I can say is that the human mind is still widely unknown and while you may observe the likelyhood of such experiences increase under certain circumstances, there appears to be no correlation that is direct in all cases, which just reinforces how little we know about the human mind.
Sorry for the double post but the current subject just sparked more of my interest.
I was thinking, perhaps the reason for people to see specificly another human being in some cases rather than a completely obscure object is because of the way the brain interprets images you see. Say you look at a tree, with all its many many leaves, you may not notice the birds perched among the leaves because you are not looking for them. You might look across the leaves of the tree and completely ignore the birds, well not just ignore them but apparently not notice them at all even though the visual information is there. There is a story somewhere about amerindians who did see a large boat out at sea simply because they have never seen one before and therefore didn't know what it was. On the flip-side, some people may find patterns in obscure objects and see objects that arent really there, like someone here said, people tend to look for images in clouds. But beyond physically looking for a likeness in objects, the human mind tries to interpret the images we see like how we can instantly recognise a person's face without having to consciously identify and tally up key features, perhaps to the effect that a vaguely human-like shape seen under poor lighting can momentarily look like a person. It's amazing how much the patterns on a curtain can resemble random things at night.
I was thinking, perhaps the reason for people to see specificly another human being in some cases rather than a completely obscure object is because of the way the brain interprets images you see.
Yes it's the same effect as seeing images in clouds, I was just going to mention this from your first post. We try to organize images in a way that is recognizable. (can't think of what this is called off the top of my head) This does offer a reasonable explanation for why we see a shadow or some other effect and we think we are seeing someone there. But the process really isn't all that unknown and mysterious as you seem to suggest from your previous post.
[/i]seems like everyone has opinions these days,i side with the general population that believes faith in a greater power is required to accept angels and demons. I have an absolute opinion on ghosts however, im an old guy,retired...in the late '80's we moved our family from house in iowa,beautiful old farmhouse, and definatly haunted. I was a skeptic until then. I wont bore you with stories, but after 10 yrs in the army, and traveling all over the world,i had seen alot of strange things, nothing prepared me for the real deal. Believe what you will. I know the truth.
in terms of ghost i have seen som ewierd happenings and along time ago my dad swore that he saw a pirate ghost in his basement but he was probably drunk lol.
Well, if there where ghosts, then there could be demons, if there are ghosts and demons, then there is probably a God, and if there is a God, then there is probably magic. I don't see a bunch of people casting magical spells. Unless of coarse I'm standing in the middle of a harry potter convention. People need to stop worrying about what is going to happen when you die. Think about it like this. You die, that's it. As horrible and scary as it sounds, there's nothing afterward. Now with that in mind. How are you living your life?
