I hear all this talking about "GAYS" and it seems anyone who doesn't like it is considered a "hater" of the gays. I find the "lifestyle" of gays to be disgusting. This is my opinion, am i not in-tilted to it? I'm merely saying it is disgusting not that gays are "bad" nor that they aren't equal to everyone else, merely that i find it disgusting. Why do so many feel that I'm not entitled to my opinion merely because it isn't what they themselves think? I find sexual fetishes that involve children, piercing of skin, all those weird things to be disgusting including gays. I do not hate gays. Why do people feel they need to condemn me for this thought?
I don't see alot of people complaining about finding being gay disgusting and people hating them.
Because they are the majority, and the world would be better if people could keep comments like that (complaining about finding being gay disgusting) to themselves.
I know a few gay guys, and, when they stop talking, they are actually pretty cool. It's just a little hard for me to find some common ground with them, as our interests are almost opposite from each others.
@FireflyIV This thread has nothing to do with why he thinks gays are disgusting. He just wants to know why people condemn him for thinking that way since what you said didn't even answer the OP, I don't know what to consider you either at best a troll, and at worst ignorant and bigoted.
It absolutely has everything to do with why. If someone has a justified reason for feeling a certain way, they are less likely to be condemned than someone who's just a playa hayta for the fun of it. To me, it sounds like (judging from the OP) that his belief is based on the assumption that homosexuality is a choice. But maybe I'm reading too much into this. Although, now that I think about it - what exactly is the point of this thread? I also find gay sex pretty gross, but that's just because of my innate sexuality. The claim itself is trivial - of course people are entitled to hold opinions about things. Cuz if this is just going to turn into another homosexuality thread, then I don't wanna play anymore. I'm getting sick of these tired debates. Is there anything interesting here worth discussing? Is there a point where someone's opinion about homosexuality unwarranted?
Is there anything interesting here worth discussing?
How to express your opinions without being misunderstood, maybe. Since the OP complains about being understood as a hater when that's not how he means it?
Cuz if this is just going to turn into another homosexuality thread, then I don't wanna play anymore. I'm getting sick of these tired debates.
If it does it's getting locked. Could see it working as more of a discussion of communication and reactions from others than just more "gays! :O" talk. But depends on who posts.
Plenty of gays try to be straight because society treats gays badly. And it's quite possible that he really did love that woman. Not all love is sexual. I wouldn't know, though, not my family being discussed.
I think that's called bysexual. You could have sex with other men and you wouldn't be gay. Being gay is when you like men.
very true. Its okay to disagree, but its generally frowned upon to hate, and be a jerk and tell how everyone is wrong other than you.
Alot of people in this world are stupid, ignorant and naive. So quite a bit of the time the smaller group or single person could be right and the others could be wrong like the French mutinies in WWI, the French army got hardly any leaves from the front, they had poor food, poor shelter and poor everything but everyone else that wasn't in the mutiny (the vast majority) considered it treachery, cowardice ect...
That was intended at your last bit where you from my understanding meant: if one guys alone in an opion and says everyone else is wrong he is a rude ignorant jerk.
I said it was ignorant of you partially as a joke (hence what I said in parentheses right afterwards), and partially because it's not gonna make him any better at responding that you call him a troll, or ignorant, or bigoted. If you want to improve his knowledge of how to respond properly, help him. Don't insult him.
Not nesseccarily some people when insulted try to act better, or improve in their knowledge of what ever there doing to prove the insulter wrong. At least most people I met does that. And as you see he didn't do anything negative afterwards.
You are correct, but notice that my font is blue. I can delete off topic posts and things that are completely irrelevant to the thread in question. So if you find that someone makes such a post, please post a link to it on my profile. Or another moderator's. Or go tell Carlie that I'm being a bad mod by not agreeing with your opinion about that one post being relevant to the thread. The actual point in this: Complaining about the relevance of a post in a thread in a reply to the thread (crap, run-on sentence) isn't gonna do much good. If you think the post shouldn't be there, request it deleted. Otherwise accept that the thread is straying a little bit from the main topic.
It wasn't way off topic but I'm just saying he should've at least answered the OP too instead of just saying what he did. Don't you agree?
Actually discussing this is way more off topic than he was anyway~
Yea I know how ironic eh?
Are you saying we don't all have something we're not well equipped to discuss?
No but I'm saying you shouldn't call someone ignorant unless he says something that's lacking proper knowledge of whatever subject he/she is talking about, because you can't be 100% so that's part ignorant saying that everyones partly ignorant.
I'm likely to make horribly ignorant statements if I start discussing politics or religion, or specific things about science, because I really don't have a good grip on any of those subjects
Then you shouldn't post unless your like 100% sure what your saying is true.
Woots for going off topiiiiiiic
How ironic that from a mod.
Most people are (likely to make ignorant statements if they discuss things they don't know enough about).
Then they shouldn't post unless there 100% sure what there talking about.
Although, now that I think about it - what exactly is the point of this thread? I also find gay sex pretty gross, but that's just because of my innate sexuality. The claim itself is trivial - of course people are entitled to hold opinions about things.
Cuz if this is just going to turn into another homosexuality thread, then I don't wanna play anymore. I'm getting sick of these tired debates.
From what I've read I think he didn't say his reasons because people would debate them then this would get locked because theres already other threads debating this.
He wants to know why someone would condemn him for thinking gays are disgusting when he doesn't hate them. He just thinks the sexual part of it is disgusting.
@FireflyIV This thread has nothing to do with why he thinks gays are disgusting.
Well it kinda does. Why you believe something is far more important than what you believe. If you are going to generalise about something as personal as a lifestyle choice, you better have good reasons.
He just wants to know why people condemn him for thinking that way since what you said didn't even answer the OP, I don't know what to consider you either at best a troll, and at worst ignorant and bigoted.
Calling an entire lifestyle ''disgusting'' seems like something which is pretty ignorant and bigoted to me. Especially considering he has not detailed any specific aspects of the lifestyle he finds so repulsive. Perhaps he has good reasons, perhaps he does not. Either way, the way he has presented them leaves him open to these kinds of accusations. I can only give him credit for what he has said, and so far that's just blind prejudice with no thoughts for the consequences.
Calling an entire lifestyle ''disgusting'' seems like something which is pretty ignorant and bigoted to me. Especially considering he has not detailed any specific aspects of the lifestyle he finds so repulsive.
He said he finds there lifestyle disgusting, couldn't you have picked up he meant that holding hands, making out, and haveing sex with the opposite sex is disgusting? At least that's what I picked up.
As I already said if he said why he specificly found it disgusting this thread would be locked because it would turn into a debate. And theres already homosexual threads debating that.
couldn't you have picked up he meant that holding hands, making out, and haveing sex with the opposite sex is disgusting?
It's not up to me to make assumptions about what he was referring to. Lifestyle is a pretty vague term, and actually doesn't pertain to any of the things you mentioned. ''Gay'' isn't a lifestyle.
As I already said if he said why he specificly found it disgusting this thread would be locked because it would turn into a debate. And theres already homosexual threads debating that.
He's asking why he's condemned for holding these beliefs. I'm telling him it's because the way he presents them makes him sound like an ignorant bigot. So yes it is relevant to bring this up.
It's not up to me to make assumptions about what he was referring to. Lifestyle is a pretty vague term, and actually doesn't pertain to any of the things you mentioned. ''Gay'' isn't a lifestyle.
If he says the gay lifestyle it's obvious what he means it's not really an assumption, your just playing dumb which is stupid.
He's asking why he's condemned for holding these beliefs. I'm telling him it's because the way he presents them makes him sound like an ignorant bigot. So yes it is relevant to bring this up.
Actually you didn't say that was why. You just said he was ignorant, bigot unless he said why he thought that.
If he says the gay lifestyle it's obvious what he means it's not really an assumption, your just playing dumb which is stupid.
Considering from your previous post that you clearly have no idea what the actual definition of the term lifetyle is, you're being pretty brave calling others stupid and ignorant. That's you're with an apostrophe by the way.
Actually you didn't say that was why. You just said he was ignorant, bigot unless he said why he thought that.
Blahblahblah I can't prove my claim and don't like to be wrong so I'll ad hominem and deny the facts blahblahblah.
That's what people are brought up to do in school.
What school did you go to, where they taught you to make educated guesses? In my school they taught me verified facts. Or maybye I'm just an odd case. Somehow I doubt it.
I never called anyone stupid.
I think you'll find you did: ''your just playing dumb which is stupid.'' Please try and remember what you posted. It really helps.
And if people don't want to be called ignorant then they shouldn't be ignorant.
But what if someone is ignorant of the fact they are ignorant?
That's what people say when there losing an arguement.
It's ''when they're losing an argument''. Sorry, force of habit.
What school did you go to, where they taught you to make educated guesses? In my school they taught me verified facts. Or maybye I'm just an odd case. Somehow I doubt it.
Silver Birches Public School. In my school they taught me to use an educated guess when needed, or maybye I'm just an odd case. Somehow I doubt it.
I think you'll find you did: ''your just playing dumb which is stupid.'' Please try and remember what you posted. It really helps.
Playing dumb is different than being dumb. And I said playing dumb is stupid, not that your dumb.
Try again anywhere else you think I said someones stupid? Please try to understand posts. It really helps.
But what if someone is ignorant of the fact they are ignorant?
Then you have to point it out to them.
It's ''when they're losing an argument''. Sorry, force of habit.
Forgiven.
What were you saying? Oh, more baseless accussations.Never mind.
Most people will agree that if someone corrects a word like they're or you're that it's because your losing an arguement.
In my school they taught me to use an educated guess when needed
In my school they taught me to scrutinise someone's argument where appropriate. The fact you cannot see the gaping weakness in mynameistom's argument (ie., that he has not defined ''lifestyle'' a vague term at best) has led me to believe you are either lacking in cognitive ability or are simply displaying a juvenile refusal to think critically. Which is it?
Playing dumb is different than being dumb. And I said playing dumb is stupid, not that your dumb.
You do realise that ''dumb'' and ''stupid'' are synonyms?
When you are trying to get out of a hole, stop digging.
Then you have to point it out to them.
Precisely.
Most people will agree that if someone corrects a word like they're or you're that it's because your losing an arguement.
Discussion hint #1: Saying ''most people say [INSERT UNVERIFIABLE CLAIM WHICH BEST SUITS MY ARGUMENT]'' is not good technique. And is it just me who would associate a poor grasp of grammar with low levels of intelligence?
In my school they taught me to scrutinise someone's argument where appropriate.
Ok now it is official our schools teach us differently.
The fact you cannot see the gaping weakness in mynameistom's argument (ie., that he has not defined ''lifestyle'' a vague term at best) has led me to believe you are either lacking in cognitive ability or are simply displaying a juvenile refusal to think critically. Which is it?
The fact you cannot see why he didn't define gays lifestules has led me to believe you are either lacking or are simply displaying a juvenile refusal to think critically. Which is it?
You do realise that ''dumb'' and ''stupid'' are synonyms?
You do realize I didn't call you dumb or stupid eh? I just said you were acting dumb and stupid. Please try to understand posts. It really helps.
Precisely.
D@mn you tricked me lol...
Discussion hint #1: Saying ''most people say [INSERT UNVERIFIABLE CLAIM WHICH BEST SUITS MY ARGUMENT]'' is not good technique
It is verifiable... Ever heard or a poll or survey?
And is it just me who would associate a poor grasp of grammar with low levels of intelligence?
Oh d@mn just because I misspelled you're and they're when I normally spell them right I have a poor grasp of grammar and low levels of intelligence (sarcasm). Btw your is a word just to let you know.
