So I just have a question to every one. What is the point in proving god to not exist? What makes it worth while to sit and flip out on people, the goverment, schools, kids, parents.....that they are wrong, and science is wrong?
I understand having an oppinion, and trying to get others to beilve that. But Have any of you heard of Pascals wager?
What he said was basically, if you belive in god, and he is real, you lived a good live, and if you belive in god, and he's not real, you lost nothing, but lived a life of good morals, which I will touch on in a second. However, If he is real, and you didn't beilve you go to hell. And if you didn't beilve and he isn't real, then you lost nothing, other then being remembered as a person who didn't care about morals.
I would like you to go read the ten commandments, and the other moral wrongs in the bible. How are ANY of them bad?
All I'm really trying to gather here, is what is the point in tryign to prove god as fake? Why does it matter if you beilve in god? And what do you lose by beilveing in him?
Please excuse me: lets just say that Christianity is completely true. Now, God created Satan. Satan hates God. Satan can't physically hurt God, so he tries to hurt him emotionally, by making sure as few people as possible are saved.
Forgive me again. Satan tries to influence the minds of men to despise the idea of a God.
Even if he is real, and he does this, it's completely unnecessary. The god of the Bible does a wonderful job of influencing men to despise the idea of him all on his own.
The god of the Bible does a wonderful job of influencing men to despise the idea of him all on his own.
But how does He? God only asks that we obey him for 80 something years, then he gives us eternal life in heaven, a place greater than any human mind could think of.
Have you read the bible? I'm sorry, but any deity who is childish, selfish, demanding, hypocritical, murderous, intentionally misleading, and willfully cruel is NOT a deity who I would have anything but contempt for.
Since we're on the topic of Satan, I feel the need to bring up something I've posted several times. That would be my history lesson on why Satan is considered "evil"
Okay all you good Christian boys and girls I'm going to teach you something about your bible. Namely, to do with a character called Lucifer. Now, as you SHOULD, know the bible has two testaments. The OLD and the NEW. In the Old Testament Lucifer is viewed as more of a neutral character, in fact, someone says that the RESPECT Satan AKA Lucifer, and wouldn't wish harm on him. Now, we go through and entire Testament with people either A) Respecting Lucifer or B) Not really paying much attention to him. Why? Well it's because he actually isn't the bad guy. Nope we have good ol'God who kills roughly 22million people. Now it isn't until the New Testament that we see Lucifer in a negative light. Some people (most christians in fact) really don't question this, and simply accept it at face value. However, we need to ask "Why now?" Well it has to do with when the testaments were written. The Old is basically the jewish holy book, while the New was written centuries AFTER the Old. The New was also written in a time where Christians were persecuted and influenced by outside religions and secular beliefs. Many of these beliefs often had a central Good Guy and a central Bad Guy. Up until this point Christianity had neither, everyone was more or less neutral. In order to survive the Christians launched a smear campaign against Lucifer, and then related him toward Paganism, to allow their religion to seem better and "right". So you see Lucifer isn't a bad guy, you just think he is because you didn't read the bible carefully. But now I have given you a history lesson.
Wolf, Lucifer became evil, and the source of it, when he became jealous of Jesus and tempted Adam and Eve. Since then he has in fact been the "bad guy." His jealousy is what makes him to this day tempt the hearts of men.
So God made Lucifer, then betrayed him by replacing him with Jesus, then sent him to Earth to tempt Mankind who God already knew would fall for the temptation, and we are supposed to call Lucifer the wicked one? Logic fail...
God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit were always around. They all created heaven and the angels, including Lucifer. Lucifer became jealous for technically no reason. He had the highest position of all the created being. He was one of a kind, special. Man gave over Earth to Lucifer/Satan when Eve and Adam ate the apple, which was against the word of God. God gave man the choice to follow God or Lucifer/Satan. Man chose evil.
I don't feel like devoting my time to reading this thread... but a sufficient disproval of the Christian god is the problem of evil.
That is: 1. There is a god. 2. The god is benevolent and all powerful. 3. A benevolent god would eliminate what it saw as evil. 4. An all-powerful god could eliminate what it saw as evil. * But that which is considered evil by god as related through the bible is not eliminated. 5. Therefore, the god not the bible cannot exist.
The free-will argument is flawed for the following reason: Man's predilections are god's fault. God created man with certain predilections that he knows (as an all-knowing god) will lead to evil. One example of this is Adam. God created Adam knowing that the way he created him would lead to suffering for all of mankind, but he went along with it. Is he not, at least in part, responsible of evil? Not only that, but he hasn't even cleaned up his mess by eliminating the predilections towards evil that he gave to Adam, despite it being within his power to do so. Free will, is therefore, not a sufficient response to the problem of evil.
