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I just now found out about this forum and didn't notice a I.D. Vs E. thread so I decided to make one.
I am a Christian and believe in intelligent design is the way the world came to be.
What does everyone else think about this subject?
Give me one reason as to why this statement is true. Preferably one from scripture.
Same reason any religious person would give, his faith says so.
I insulted nobody. Please don't make mountains out of molehills.
No, you reread our argument thus far. Either that, or we dismiss this as as misunderstanding.
I have backed up my point multiple times, and you haven't done a thing to refute it.
This claim is completely unsupported. It does nothing to refute my point and therefore is invalid.
Both of your sources are painlessly and easily refuted by this.
Also, check the table of contents and make sure to not make any of the other silly arguments refuted by that site. kthxbai.
No. Think of our Earth as the mold. We are the item created by it. It is not a coincidence that we fit the mold - we were made from the mold and materials in it, therefore we should fit perfectly.
Cite some evidence that isn't overshadowed by the evidence for it.
Evolution never dictates anything close to that. You are very mistaken.
Thank you for providing completely false information. I've said this before anyone who's religious really needs to stay away from those creationists sites, there really not good for you.
Like what?
in this case adressing Peter, first Pope of the church.
I insulted nobody. Please don't make mountains out of molehills.
No, you reread our argument thus far. Either that, or we dismiss this as as misunderstanding.
I have backed up my point multiple times, and you haven't done a thing to refute it.
This claim is completely unsupported. It does nothing to refute my point and therefore is invalid.
Both of your sources are painlessly and easily refuted by this.
Also, check the table of contents and make sure to not make any of the other silly arguments refuted by that site. kthxbai.
No. Think of our Earth as the mold. We are the item created by it. It is not a coincidence that we fit the mold - we were made from the mold and materials in it, therefore we should fit perfectly.
Cite some evidence that isn't overshadowed by the evidence for it.
Evolution never dictates anything close to that. You are very mistaken.
Thank you for providing completely false information. I've said this before anyone who's religious really needs to stay away from those creationists sites, there really not good for you.
Like what?
in this case adressing Peter, first Pope of the church.
Oops, it double posted.
And here is where i stand with the logical thing
http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/2007/12/07/feedback-god-and-logic
http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20100425053243AAKB8NH
Well, Mr. Answerer 1 says he didn't. But I'm not sure if Mr. Answerer 1 is a trust worthy source.
Well fearing Sammy's wrath, I will whisper that I don't think "Mr. Answer" is going to be able to provide the best insite.
I consider "is you ignoring me to try to stay alive in this debate, which you lost a long time ago. You're just making things up now.`" a insult.
Then what are "thoughts"?
It is not refuted. There are wacky (no offense) scientists that say anything.
There have been multiple "sightings" of amino acids and stuff that has turned out to be wrong. I would not be surprised to find multiple articles about how the thing you posted the link of about how it is wrong.
Also think of it logically: You light a huge ball of gases on fire. The fire gets pretty big and then gets smaller, smaller, smaller until it goes out. It doesn't stay the exact same size and randomly gets smaller and bigger.
Even as a worse case scenario (For my argument) maybe it isn't shrinking by much. But it is impossible to say the the sun is not shrinking at all. And you said the earth was billions of years old, way way more than the 20 million it would be needed to be inside the sun at the rate which has been sighted by my sources and many others.
Your evidence isn't any better than mine. They disagree with each-other both cannot be right, but yours is no better than mine.
we fit perfectly right now. not billions of years ago.
That the earth can't be billions of years old. ^
That the earth can't be billions of years old. ^
It's either billions of years old, or a few thousand. Which one is more credible?
That the earth can't be billions of years old. ^
Sources!
MOAR sources!
One last source for now.
. It assumes the shrink rate as being constant
Or maybe it wasn't always shrinking! The shrinking sun argument is totally invalid because it commits a fallacy - it assumes the sun was always shrinking, when there's nothing to suggest it was.
A'IGHT. You still think the sun is shrinking? :P
Really though, I hope I've refuted the argument soundly enough for you to drop it, because every single source I linked to destroys the argument. kthx.
My evidence is better for two reasons. 1 - it has significant scientific backing. The entire shrinking sun argument is based from one now-discredited report from the 80s. 2 - I have more evidence on my side. I've linked to like 8 sources so far, and all of them refute the 2 or 3 you've posted.
It takes time for a piece to be tempered so it fits the mold perfectly. We fit perfectly now because we had time to sit in the mold and grow to fit it.
A'ight, now I'm better backed up because of not only the more currentness of my evidence, but my quantity. :P
It's either billions of years old, or a few thousand. Which one is more credible?
There are also key landmarks and objects, created by man, that were older than the religious dateline that is so popular these days. I think 20,000 years old is pretty far back, farther than 6000 or 12,000. Even so, these mountains that are so awe-inspiring to look at took longer than a million to form.
I guess I could point out other geological formations that would have taken much longer then a few thousand years to form but one of those links has an example already, so... hmm.
Neither actually. The Earh has existed for 10 minutes. An alien race came, created the planet, created us, and implanted artificial memory in us. Everything we remember is just a chip in our minds. Well, at least that's what the voices are telling me.
there are also key landmarks and objects, created by man, that were older than the religious dateline
I think 20,000 years old is pretty far back, farther than 6000 or 12,000.
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