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Kyouzou
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We brought this issue up in my government class. Many people, in my class at least, believe that creating life, is something that should be left in the hands of god. I personally think that there is nothing wrong with it, as long as the clones are fully functioning normal members of society. On the same token if we find some way transfer a brain from the body of one clone to another we could cure a cure for many terminal illnesses, as the persons consciousness is simply transferred.

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Maverick5762
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On the first issue, I don't see a problem with clones. It's just another person, with the same DNA they are born with. Isn't that just like identical twins?

It's not like they would be sub-human, they would still develop and grow just like any other human.

And on the second point, about transferring the brain, that would be sweet. You could just transfer your brain to a new young body every time you got old lol

Kyouzou
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That's sounds like a way to over populate the earth... The problem a lot of people are having is that their beliefs. After all, I have to admit the thought of playing 'god' makes me a little nervous. After all we don't know how the clones would turn out, the difference between a sheep and a functioning human being is rather large wouldn't you say?

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They are the kind of religious idiots I despise. They hold back science just because "they don't want to play god"

Clones would not only benefit society but they can solve the food problem. Mass cloning of cows and other cattle, made of inedible materiel, could feed the world.

Third, great mines could be cloned pushing the human race forward. Or, since education would be a problem, unskilled easily dispensable workers.

Kyouzou
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But we don't know the genetic consequences, perhaps the great strain put on the DNA from cloning makes it harmful to humans? For all we know, the clones brains wouldn't develop properly, when brought forward from another person...

314d1
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If we never try, we will never find out. This is what literal lab rats are for, then monkeys then human on there deathbed, when you would need a new brain anyway.

Harmful to humans how? We are assuming we can make correct clones at this moment, not weather it will work in the immediate future (as this problem, if it happened, would be solvable in a few years)

It would still make them good slaves, possibly better as they would be considered even less useful and less living.

Moe
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If we could clone successfully I wouldn't have a problem with it. But as it stands with the horrible success rate I don't think its time to clone humans yet.

Kyouzou
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See Moe understood what I was getting at. Oh by the Moe there isn't a success rate, we've never tried to clone humans, at least not in a way that it has become public knowledge.

314d1
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See Moe understood what I was getting at. Oh by the Moe there isn't a success rate, we've never tried to clone humans, at least not in a way that it has become public knowledge.


Like I said, you are aiming for the morality of it. And AS I SAID, we have to work on the project to be able to get any further. To clone human we will have to clone human.
Kyouzou
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That's why we have computers, face it...unless you use convicted criminals and even then it's considered inhumane.

MageGrayWolf
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Third, great mines could be cloned pushing the human race forward. Or, since education would be a problem, unskilled easily dispensable workers.


We currently don't have the ability to clone ones mind. A clone would be a separate individual but just with identical DNA.

The problem here is the clones would still be human and as such deserving of the same rights everyone else has. Ones origins should not determine ones standing in humanity.

The process has many flaws right now and I think further animal testing is necessary before we begin trying it on humans. I do think there are some major benefits that could be had and it is worth the research and effort.

We could develop ways of just growing body parts to avoid rejection for transplants.

If we could perfect cloning animals it would be of great use to the food industry as 314d1 pointed out.

Transferring consciousness is a long way off and would require far more research going beyond just cloning, but if we could develop "blanks" we could do just as Maverick5762 said. But this raises a number of problem that go beyond that of just moral issues. Besides overpopulation there is the question of who would get such a treatment? Would you want a hierarchy of the rich elite few living for as long as they want? Maybe a malevolent tyrants of a country could have an extra few thousand years or more to rule?
Sassin
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im with 314d1 if you never try you will never know and look at it this way if a criminal is about to die does it really matter if we clone them there dead either way.

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I believe clones are moral as long as you don't use them wrong. Like in the book The House of the Scorpion(one of my faves). In this world, they have clones, but the clones are just used for spare organs and whatnot, and most are made retarded at birth so they don't know what's going on. The only clone who makes something of himself is the main character of the story.

Kyouzou
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Just because they have committed crime, doesn't mean they have no rights, they deserve all the rights that everyone else has. If we could perfect it to, the point where it was simply a dead body, than I would have no problem with it.

Sassin
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Well i see what you are saying about a criminal but look at it this way if hes about to die then does it matter really becuase if you dont do anything then hes going to die anyway.

Kyouzou
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But it has to be his/her choice, our DoI (america) says that every person, has certain unalienable rights such as life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. To force the person to do this against their will, would be violating that right, and going against the principles that our country was founded upon.

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