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Kyouzou
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We brought this issue up in my government class. Many people, in my class at least, believe that creating life, is something that should be left in the hands of god. I personally think that there is nothing wrong with it, as long as the clones are fully functioning normal members of society. On the same token if we find some way transfer a brain from the body of one clone to another we could cure a cure for many terminal illnesses, as the persons consciousness is simply transferred.

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AnaLoGMunKy
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Considering there are no morals exept those we create for ourselves I am pretty sure the relevent corperations are working hard on cloning humans right now.

yielee
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Someone just said they already did it, but I don't believe it. I heard they cloned human genes into bacteria but that's as far as they got. I don't know why they'd want to make a small human like that.

nova2772
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I don't think that the action of cloning someone will be immoral once we learn how to do it properly- right now most clones have too many health problems to be practical anyway. However, I think the clone should have all the rights of a normal person. Creating armies of dumb laborers who have no legal representation is not my idea of an ideal society. Organ farming is also problematic- why should we give someone a life so that we can harvest their organs?

"Hi, I bought you so I could use your heart. I need it now."
"But I don't want to die! You've lived for 80 years, and I've only lived 20! Why do you get to live?"
"Cuz I came first. Say bye-bye to life."

I simply don't believe that any human is entitled to fewer rights than another. Clones would have to be considered equal.

Cloning animals for food purposes sounds practical and moral- assuming we figure out how to make healthy clones. Cloning great minds may also be a good idea, but I'll have to think about that one.

Graham
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Organ farming is also problematic- why should we give someone a life so that we can harvest their organs?


You don't need to give them whole human life, you can just grow the specific organ you need. Growing hearts.

I simply don't believe that any human is entitled to fewer rights than another. Clones would have to be considered equal.


Are clones humans or byproducts of bioengineering science?

Give something a recognizable face and morality gets in the way.
Holden012
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i dont think somebody should ever clone a human.

What do you think IVF basically is?

They are basically already cloning ... It's called IVF.

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nova2772
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You don't need to clone a whole human life, you can just grow the specific organ you need.


Oh, sorry. Yes, I think organ cloning would be a good thing.

Are clones humans or byproducts of bioengineering science?


It seems obvious to me that they would be humans. The question is whether or not they are people. I believe all humans are people. I believe all people should have the same rights.
thepossum
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I'm against what mainstream Christians like to say about cloning. Unlike them, I find cloning to be perfectly fine. And while they are all wondering about what God thinks about it and whether or not they would be allowed into Heaven, I am perfectly content. I figure God doesn't really care whether you're a clone or not. Clones will probably grow up to be a completely different person. It'd be like having an identical twin with a personality that's different then your own.

nova2772
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[quote]I'm against what mainstream Christians like to say about cloning. Unlike them, I find cloning to be perfectly fine.[quote]

My problem is what we do with the clones. They should have all the rights of an original.

thepossum
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I agree. Of course clones should have all the rights of a original. They're humans too.

Avorne
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We agree that cloned animals are animals, right? Dolly the Sheep springs to mind. So - being animals ourselves - why should this not apply to us?

Cloned humans are humans too. And therefore they have Human Rights.

nova2772
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Cloned humans are humans too. And therefore they have Human Rights.


Apparently I'm having quote problems today. Sorry.

If we all agree clones should have equal rights, then we can't make an army of "easily dispensable workers" for a labor class, but I suppose by the time we can make good human clones, we will be able to make robots to fill many of those positions anyway.
Quicksmasher
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Oh well, you again nova. I love stalking, but well. Wait what... were u a gay or a girl? cant remember, but well.

If we all agree clones should have equal rights, then we can't make an army of "easily dispensable workers" for a labor class, but I suppose by the time we can make good human clones, we will be able to make robots to fill many of those positions anyway.


Hoho, lets make a colone army right at the happening of the war... neither the humen nor the clones would have the right to leave the battlefield, no problem dude. Robots are for the rustyard.
Quicksmasher
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lets make a colone army


Apparently I'm having spelling problems today. Sorry.
thepossum
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Making a clone army is just stupid. What is this, Star Wars? Anyway, making human life just to tell them they have to fight in an army is just horrible.

nova2772
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Making a clone army is just stupid. What is this, Star Wars? Anyway, making human life just to tell them they have to fight in an army is just horrible.


Uh... you guys do realize that I was using the word "army" just to refer to a lot of people, right? I was talking about if we made a labor class of clones to work in factories and do other unwanted jobs. Though I suppose if people were willing to do that, they would certainly make clones to serve in the military as well.
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