We brought this issue up in my government class. Many people, in my class at least, believe that creating life, is something that should be left in the hands of god. I personally think that there is nothing wrong with it, as long as the clones are fully functioning normal members of society. On the same token if we find some way transfer a brain from the body of one clone to another we could cure a cure for many terminal illnesses, as the persons consciousness is simply transferred.
Making a clone army is just stupid. What is this, Star Wars? Anyway, making human life just to tell them they have to fight in an army is just horrible.
Making a clone army isn't stupid. Imagine your a country that is being repressed, like Tibet, and you want to fight for your independence.
Uh... you guys do realize that I was using the word "army" just to refer to a lot of people, right?
Right, sorry.
I was talking about if we made a labor class of clones to work in factories and do other unwanted jobs. Though I suppose if people were willing to do that, they would certainly make clones to serve in the military as well
Oh yeah, to all street cleanerz: Go make your clone (if u can hohoho)...
... what would happen to the position of (mad) scientists (inventors) when they're going to make somethin real mad (long live the clones!), and what would happen happen to THEM? - wait, do i mean the Clones or the mad scientists now?
We agree that cloned animals are animals, right? Dolly the Sheep springs to mind. So - being animals ourselves - why should this not apply to us?
Cloned humans are humans too. And therefore they have Human Rights.
What separates humans from being just animals? Humans are animals, so why do we get Human Rights? I don't remember ever hearing about specific dog or parrot rights.
Making a clone army isn't stupid. Imagine your a country that is being repressed, like Tibet, and you want to fight for your independence.
Am I to believe that Tibet is the only place with cloning technology? Because if the country they fight does too, there would be no point. Just lots of dead people.
I simply don't believe that any human is entitled to fewer rights than another. Clones would have to be considered equal.
Why not just lobotomize it at birth?
I mean, it's not exactly human anymore. It's a husk. A nice, healthy, breathing, beating, husk. The medical applications are endless!
The main reason why the American government wants to keep cloning down is because they don't want to "summon god's wrath" or something because we made a human life (which is kind of reserved for god). But with that same logic, it would be a husk, therefore not entirely human. So why not just make facilities for organ farming alone?
Well your not creating a new type of life by cloning, just copying, like identical twins. I see no difference in cloning to birth life than from reproduction. Genetic engineering is different, it makes it possible to create entire new species.
it goes againest the law of creation because god wasnt the one who made the clone
Mythologic laws don't have relevancy. Why would God allow for humans to be able to clone if he were against it? Why would God clone animals to start earth off if he were against it?
Well put, Graham. And besides, there is no "law" of creation. If creation is anything, it's a descriptive theory, not a normative one. Even if a creator existed, it would be this entity that gave us the tools necessary to conceive new life. In the same sense, this creator provided us with the reasoning and cognitive abilities to create life in a different, yet very similar, way. Saying that cloning goes against a theistic notion of creation is a dead end argument.
The same goes for arguments that say it's wrong to play the role of God. But this discounts what God supposedly did to create him - He made it from non-living material that would never, ever have formed into life (dust for a man and rib for a woman, if I'm not mistaken). With closing, we're essentially taking naturally made DNA and just... making more of it.
It just seems more and more like arguments that must assume God's existence keep getting in the way of human progress.
And that is one of the reasons I go against mainstream Christians and say that God honestly doesn't care if we clone. He would accept human clones just as if He made them him self. In fact, He sort of did. By making the original, He essentially made the blueprint for the clones, which makes Him the Creator of them all. It's like mass-producing. But with people.
I may be late in adding this, but in most animal tests, there are large numbers of defects in cloned animals, and most only live how long the original had left(i.e., a pig is 10 years old, it would only live for another 6 years, it's clone would also only live 6 years, if it is lucky.)
