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nonconformist
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Yea I kinda searched through the first 7 pages, and didnt find anything to do with this at all, so i figured.. why not start one myself? Just really wondering what the rest of armor games thinks of BP and the oil leakage....

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CommanderDude7
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lol shrimpster! But another hurricane boosted by the oil like phacon said would probably be comparable only to katrina. scary. good thing I live in wisconsin.

Kevin4762
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This doesn't surprise me. It was bound to happen. What I hate most is that Obama is still for "safe" offshore drilling. "We can't become totally green overnight."

Countries like Brazil, Argentina, Canada, and Poland derive most of their electricity from wind energy, solar energy, geothermal energy, and most importantly, hydroelectric energy.

We could build massive dams on the Colorado River, Mississippi River, Brazos River, Missouri River, Columbus River, and Ohio River. Not only would it generate jobs, but we would have enough energy to power all of the Texas, California, and Florida cities for 160 years. Combine that with solar energy across the nation, and you get an almost totally green country.

Natural gas is just as terrible as coal and petroleum. Why? It is composed of mostly methane, a greenhouse gas.

We could be totally green overnight, and oil leaks like this one would be a thing of the past.

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This oil spill would have made it to the front page of local newspapers if Obama wasn't such a bad president.

Foreign countries have offered us aid in cleaning up the spill. If Obama accepted their help, this spill would likely have been cleaned up by now.

The Obama administration is not doing all they can. As it is, even the military has more intelligence than the Obama administration, and military intelligence is an oxymoron!

We can't oppose offshore drilling just because there was an accident. Who knows? Maybe the Obama administration wants us to stop offshore drilling, which would explain their refusal to accept foreign aid.

It's about time we impeach that moron. Barack Hussein Obama is unfit as a president and needs to be impeached.

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The Obama administration is not doing all they can. As it is, even the military has more intelligence than the Obama administration, and military intelligence is an oxymoron!


The article you cited was clearly biased and might as well have been written by a conspiracy theorist (maybe it was). If your argument that the Obama administration isn't doing everything it can is based simply on the alleged fact that other countries offered aid, the argument is weak to say the least.
If the Mafia offers you assistance in a crisis, do you take it? Of course not! And you're not faulted for not accepting their assistance because of the obvious ramifications of dealing with such people. Of course, I'm not comparing these countries who offered aid to the Mafia, I'm simply pointing out that an offer of aid does not immediately mean one should accept the offer. We have no idea what kinds of strings were attached to these offers.
Besides all this, BP had taken full and complete responsibility early on in the disaster. So why isn't BP contracting out ships from other countries? After all, it's going to be their company who should end up paying for all this.

We can't oppose offshore drilling just because there was an accident. Who knows? Maybe the Obama administration wants us to stop offshore drilling, which would explain their refusal to accept foreign aid.


We absolutely can't. And I don't think anyone with any sense does oppose offshore drilling. The reason for the 6-month moratorium is to help ensure an accident like this doesn't happen ever ever again. No less than 2 failsafes failed to work and safety commissions can figure out why and how to keep this from happening again.
And it's not like the moratorium was done is a vacuum. It's also costing jobs for those who work on the rigs plus the thousands of support and ancillary jobs to get the oil to refinery and to the pump. This was obviously a tough and somewhat unpopular decision, but it's one that, I think, needed to be made.

It's about time we impeach that moron. Barack Hussein Obama is unfit as a president and needs to be impeached.


Really? I mean... really? Nixon should have been impeached, but he resigned. Johnson and Clinton were both impeached but neither were convicted - and both had clearly violated either a constitutional or criminal law.
I swear, every time a president nowadays becomes unpopular, people start shouting to impeach the man. When, in fact, only about 1% of those people actually know what an impeachment is or what it does.
But Obama has not been shown to have committed any high crimes or misdemeanors that would even justify an impeachment proceeding.

Could Obama have done more? Yes. But so could have the myriad of oversight committees on safety that should have been watching for this kind of situation in the first place. He, like the rest of us, thought that BP would handle this mess quickly and effectively. Not only because they said they would, but because they also said they have ample equipment to do so. Obviously we see now that was a lie, but it wasn't Obama doing the lying.
As a Gulf Coast resident, the entire situation just didn't seem real. That is, until oil washed up on the beach where my fiancee and I are supposed to be getting married. It's hard to wrap your head around the magnitude and significance of something like this and it's hard to figure out even where to start.
Much much more could have been done. But it wasn't. That, however, in no way implies malicious intent.

I am almost sure that the USA made the twin towers attack easier, after that, USA could invade Iraq to make petroleum cheaper.


And yet the cost of sweet crude continues to climb. I wish people would stop talking out of their a$$es.
The entire friggin' world is petroleum crazy. That's just how things are. And until alternative energy methods are developed, that's how it will continue to be.
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Actually, I don't think it's about petroleum. Obama's lack of action taken against the spill rubs against this theory. I doubt even the Bush administration went into war for petroleum. I just don't buy the petroleum motive.

keeton52
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Its all an Illuminati conspiracy. Just wait and see.

gtfawjkjg
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I think its gonna end like the swine flu, at first its a big deal, then we don't really care.

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And I don't think anyone with any sense does oppose offshore drilling.


The sensible thing would be to stop using oil and get on the renewable resources bandwagon. Its not as if we actually need the stuff anymore.

I doubt even the Bush administration went into war for petroleum. I just don't buy the petroleum motive.


If anything the oil was a way to gain influence. The worlds goverments are still playing a dangerous game of power and what better way than to control as much of the worlds most popular resource ever. Regardless of the reason the whole thing stinks like fishy flaps.
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The sensible thing would be to stop using oil and get on the renewable resources bandwagon. Its not as if we actually need the stuff anymore.


But this isn't something that can just ... happen. If we suddenly decided to stop using oil, our economy would grind to a halt. There has to be a infrastructure in place for a newly fueled economy and that will involve many, many steps.
I still contend the first of these steps is to dramatically increase the number of nuclear power plants. Renewable energy, as I explained in an earlier post, simply isn't efficient of cost effective enough to be of any real national use.
If you want to put solar cells on the roof of your house, be my guest. But the cost associated with this kind of thing on a national scale makes it ludicrous.
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I think they need to just focus their minds on the oil spill and try to clean it all up.

Moegreche
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I think they need to just focus their minds on the oil spill and try to clean it all up.


Unless these people are Jedi, focusing their minds isn't going to do a damn thing.

On a side note, I was down in Fairhope, AL hooking up a generator for a cleanup station when I happened upon some interesting information:
There's a brand new skimmer ship (from Great Britain, I think) that's supposedly headed towards the Gulf to help with the cleanup. This thing is amazing - no joke, it can siphon more oil out of the water in one day than all the skimmers have managed to do this entire time.
But, here's what's stupid. Because this skimmer ship releases water back into the ocean that's still slightly tainted, it's technically illegal for this ship to do what it's made to do. Yes, the water will be significantly cleaner than it already is, but the EPA has strict standards that say any water being put into the ocean from a vessel must be clean.
This kind of legislation makes sense in a certain context, but in the context of the oil cleanup it's absolutely idiotic. And I don't know what has to change to get the law amended, or if it even has to be amended. But it's stupid as hell.
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That really is stupid as hell, how are they supposed to help if they'll be breaking the law to do it!? What I don't understand is why they haven't tried burning it?

Moegreche
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That really is stupid as hell, how are they supposed to help if they'll be breaking the law to do it!?


Someone deleted my post explaining the situation, so now this whole conversation has no context. Boo.
But this massive oil tanker I was talking about is already on its way. If the EPA and those involved in the legislation know what's good for them, they'll allow this ship to do its job.

What I don't understand is why they haven't tried burning it?


They actually have been and from what I understand continue to do so. But you can't just set thousands of square miles of oil on fire, so they have to do small, controlled burns. The environmental impact of all that oil burning isn't great, either - although it does seem like a better tradeoff to having the marshlands and estuaries of the Gulf Coast completely wrecked.
There's also the problem of where the oil is, because there is a tremendous amount that is between 1 and 20 or so feet underwater. Not to mention the channels of hydrocarbons that are even deeper. So burning has a very limited effect on the disaster as a whole, which is why it really hasn't taken the forefront.
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