We all know the Bible is full of weird things. This thread is mainly to discuss the unbelievable portions of the Bible, and why you believe them.
For a side not, if you are going to state "They are just metaphors!" then could you pleas also put what parts are not metaphors as well, as that differs from person to person... Also, if you are going to answer "CONTEXT!" please either back it up or go in a dark room and hit your head against the wall repeatedly.
I hope I don't derail this before it get's started, but if the argument is "it's just a metaphor" then why can we not say God is merely just a metaphor as well?
People who think they are cool by trying to disprove something that is impossible to disprove at this point in time.
Has nothing to do with being cool. 314d1 was simply trying to point out and discuss parts of the Bible that seem less then credible. I further asked if we are to regard these less then credible parts as being the result of the Bible being metaphorical then why shouldn't we also regard God as being a metaphor as well.
I further asked if we are to regard these less then credible parts as being the result of the Bible being metaphorical then why shouldn't we also regard God as being a metaphor as well.
I don't see a problem with regarding that at all. It could be true for all we know right now.
History of the universe: Theist: God created everything. Atheist: There was nothing and then nothing suddenly bursted and created everything from which mater mysteriously rearranged itself to form planets, dinosaurs and primates from which humans evolved.
There was nothing and then nothing suddenly bursted and created everything from which mater mysteriously rearranged itself to form planets, dinosaurs and primates from which humans evolved.
Atheist: There was nothing and then nothing suddenly bursted and created everything from which mater mysteriously rearranged itself to form planets, dinosaurs and primates from which humans evolved.
Lets see, it took 13 billion years to get where we are today, so that isn't just the magical creation that the theist story states.
That upstairs was a travesty. It's easier for me to believe that generic "knowledge" of nature came from divine intervention that is uncomprehending, than to accept the concept of universe which creates itself. That is nihilistic, means I'm floating on a rock through vacuum and my life has no meaning.
Nihilism is the belief that nothing exists, Milos, and space is not a perfect vacuum. By the way, God doesn't have to exist to give your life meaning, in my opinion, his existence would simply detract from any meaning my life had.
Life mas no meaning but the meaning we give it, we constantly create and recreate our destinies.
It's easier for me to believe that generic "knowledge" of nature came from divine intervention that is uncomprehending, than to accept the concept of universe which creates itself.
Think of it more along the lines of a reaction to the stated the universe was in, rather then it's "creation".
I find it interesting you seem to be saying you have an easier time comprehending and comprehensible being then accepting the evidence at hand.
That is nihilistic, means I'm floating on a rock through vacuum and my life has no meaning.
You subscribe your own meaning to your life. I suppose if we want to call something an objective meaning to life it would technically be to reproduce.
But let's say there is a deity out there. Doesn't giving us subjective means to our lives and letting us pick from a nearly endless selection, go along with the concept of this being giving us free will, far more then it just assigning us meaning?
Going back to your original statement of "nothing creating nothing" I can assume your referring to the vacuum of space as nothing. If this is the case then it's much more accurate to say everything created nothing.
Geez MGW, your like a friggin viper! Anyways, The Bible is very confusing, it jumps around to different things in one paragraph, and I can't make heads or tails of it. I don't believe that there was just one all powerful being that lived for a loooooooong time then just decided to create a world in 7 days. The idea of that is absurd to me.
Moon brings up a good point, I never understood why a being that has supposedly existed forever would suddenly come up with an idea to just create the whole universe (multiverse?)...
And where would God have been before there was a universe, is he in a separate dimension or something?
