I can see the logic behind it, but the pathetic elitsm that follows most athiests i have met is a huge downside. Athiests use logic so much, it become flawed. Anything they say about religion is theoretical ignorance. Yet they think everything they say about religion is cold hard fact.
Overall athiests are logical, but a majority of them really have no idea what they're talking about half the time they speak about religion.
We can if it is stated that they have a physical influence. We can then disprove the physical influence. That applies to history, praying, sacrifice, science, etc.
We have explored much of our solar system and into are starting to gaze into the wider universe. We have also looked down, into the simplest of atoms and the electrical charges present within them. And at no point on this scale of tiny to tremendous have we seen a speck of God, if he is omnipresent - then where is he?
It's also said that he's omnipotent, and I think that would include the power to turn invisible.
On the subject of the solar system though, branching out to the rest of the universe, the creation story doesn't make any sense when he created so many star systems in a single night, but took so much longer to create Earth.
If you have no proof for something, it is logical to assume it is not there. Prove unicorns don't exist (And they are, ironically, in the Bible)
I can`t, so they might exsist somewhere in the universe.
but lets look at things like this. The universe was created somehow, lets say the big bang did it. what started the big bang? chemical reaction? who put the neccasary ingrediants there to create the universe? perhaps god did it.
unicorns, they have no signifgance. but they could have created the universe, just as god did.
Oh and while I am here - as more proof that God (at least in the traditional sense) doesn't exist:
"Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?"
On the subject of the solar system though, branching out to the rest of the universe, the creation story doesn't make any sense when he created so many star systems in a single night, but took so much longer to create Earth.
perhaps earth is the only planet that can sustain life. who knows.
Information science. We learn right about everything all the other sciences learn, and then a little more.
If you have no proof for something, it is logical to assume it is not there.
Positivist way of seeing things. You forget that in science, outside of the deadpan positivists, there s no such thing as absolute proof of something. We can only assume that every time you fix a flaw in the theory, you move closer to an absolute truth.
you can`t debate religion being real or fake.
Indeed not. But you could assume that because the effects of (a) god can be seen, then there is a god. Again, it is just a matter of how much significance you give this.
Aye, along with fire-breathing dragons.
I can give you a reasonable argument about dragons actually being alive and around, but why we have seen no evidence pointing towards it being true, but I better go back to my paper on fallacies in abortion debates.
Likely suspect: Big crunch, nuclear implosion. The universe had a universe before it, just like ours, which ended in the same way ours probably will. It will keep going until it can no longer sustain itself.
lets say the big bang did it. what started the big bang? chemical reaction? who put the neccasary ingrediants there to create the universe? perhaps god did it.
I really need to get a FAQ or something....
1. When all the matter in the universe reached a breaking point in which there was to much energy, it expelled the matter at high speeds. The hydrogen clumped together and formed stars, which supernova(ed) and gave us heavier elements which clumped and gave us planets.
2. Black holes from other universes took matter from that universe and added it to the one about to under go a Big Bang
I want to point out here, referring to the OP, that the qualities pointed out do not apply to all and only atheists. Arrogance, talking about things you don't know about, pretentiousness towards those who don't share your views - all of these are just personality flaws. They have nothing to do with atheism. From my end, I see those personality flaws literally every day from Christians (granted, I do live in the Bible Belt). There's a guy who stands on the corner with an amp and sings really badly about Jesus. He's so sure that he's right and every atheist is wrong that I've seen him actually become belligerent towards people.
But the simple fact is that we need to stop seeing certain attributes that a group happens to have and associating it with that group. And many of there personality flaws are just called different things in different contexts. I will say though, as an atheist, that nothing pisses me off more than someone trying to "save" me or help me find Jesus. It's having to deal with this kind of thing every day that, for me, makes it hard to tolerate being around deeply religious people. It's a give and take, and all the giving isn't coming from one side.
And the burden of proof is on the one asserting the claim positively - it's up to you to prove that God exists. and 'faith' alone doesn't prove anything.
