Yes, I realize that this thread already exists - 13 pages and over a month back.
I'd like to remake it, I don't see why an issue such as this should fall from our eye.
This time around I'd like to focus more around the legality and the taboo side of abortion. That doesn't mean we shouldn't still include the aspects of the original thread though.
Should abortion be kept away from the public eye? Or should it be something that we openly discuss?
Should abortion be legal everywhere? Under what circumstances? How could those circumstances be judged to be the right ones? Do we follow the 'lesser of two evils' idea or do we take a separate path?
I personally feel that abortion is a women's choice, if abortion is the best option in a situation then it should be the one that is taken. As a man I really have no say in what a woman does with her body. But what if I was going to be the father of a child she didn't want to give birth to? I'm not sure about those situations - should the father have equal say to the mother?
LYou see those cells...those very first cells, well folks they're alive. Not intelligent life yet, but alive all the same. Life is life.
Then by that argument you sir are a mass murderer. Every day you kill life. Your body destroys a multitude of cells, both from within your body, and that enter your body from the environment. How callous of you to think that you have the right to kill life. In fact by that argument every living creature on the planet is a murderer and should be punished accordingly, since they are wrong, wrong, wrong.
Abortion should be left to the parents, as they have to deal with the child for 18 years or give it to a family. Not to mention just the childbirth is torture. Abortion basically just boils down to morals, as I found out quite recently, and you can't argue about morals.
Some people it is alive when it has a heartbeat, others argue it is alive when it is born, thus removing the fetus would be no more murder than removing a rock from the beach. Then, people say that killing a potential child is wrong.
Like NoName has suggested, there should be no law prohibiting abortion nor promoting abortion. It should be determined by the state and district governments. Right?
Well if you look at that, roughly 60% of all abortions are performed before the 9th week of gestation, when the embryo actually becomes a fetus. So if you use that argument then ~40% of abortions are actually 'murder'.
And if you want to get technical, a fetus is not medically considered 'alive' until 35-40 weeks of gestation, as up until that point it is incapable of surviving on it's own.
And as an interesting side note, as I know that many who are anti abortion are also Christians, over 70% of women getting abortions identify as Christian of one denomination or another. I just found that noteworthy.
It should be determined by the state and district governments. Right?
I disagree that it should be determined by any branch of government. I feel that if the procedure is available then it should be up to the doctors if they wish to perform it, and the parents if they wish for the procedure to take place.
Anything further than that is simply a result of someone trying to force their ideas, morals, and/or religion on someone else.
You are taking it out of context, although we do have a minority that think it is okay, and we catch them and lock them up.
However there are no positive societal effects from letting them go free, therefore they offer nothing of value to humanity as a species.
In the argument regarding abortion you are putting a societal extreme in the context of a medical procedure. Now if the majority say circumcision is wrong, should be able to determine it unethical and make everyone stop performing it? After all if you really think about it circumcision is nothing more than child mutilation.
Oh and in regards to your argument about a "minority of the people"... I don't think that 42% of Americans is a minority regarding abortion. That equates to roughly 225,746,457 people.
How is it out of context? If the majority of people think abortion is wrong, and they force it on the minority who don't think abortion is wrong, it is wrong. But if the majority of people think rape is wrong, and they force it on the minority who don't think it's wrong, it is right?
By the way, regarding abortion as good or bad? Where did you get the statistic from?
By the way, regarding abortion as good or bad? Where did you get the statistic from?
Sorry, forgot to make it a quote. The data was from a recent Rasmussen poll regarding the topic. It is out of context because you are using an analogy regarding something like forced intercourse to a debate about whether or not you should determine what a woman does with her body.
Now all morals aside I've already shown the massive financial strain such action would place on our government, and we have yet to even explore the psychological, social, and developmental effects that would be placed on these children if all were allowed to be brought to term by eliminating abortion as an option.
Oh and bear in mind that the financial data I provided in my earlier posts are based on the concept that only half of aborted fetuses are allowed to be brought to term. And we must consider that number will likely continue to grow, especially if we are introducing an additional 1.2 million members to our society annually.
Mr Walker, if 42% is pro abortion, then who are the other 58%?
@Mage government was put up to hold the majority of the morals of the people. Without government people would be able to go rampant and kill/steal from whoever they please. The idea of not letting people kill/steal from others is a moral.
Back to the abortion subject. Pro-abortionists are able to express their view because they weren't aborted. If they were killed off they would be on the other side of things.
It also just gives them an excuse to do "it" and then take no responsibility for their actions by murdering the innocent.
Mr Walker, if 42% is pro abortion, then who are the other 58%?
According to the Rasmussen poll only 51% were prolife, the other 7% being undecided. And I must point out that being pro choice is NOT pro abortion. It simply means that we wish to allow others to exercise their freedom of choice based on their own morals and ideals.
And I must say that 51% is not an overwhelming majority. By contrast, and to use your analogy regarding burglary, statistically speaking we see about 2 million burglaries per year in the US, which tells us that only 0.009% of the population is committing the offense, with the number actually FOR the offense likely to be not much more than double. Even if we are conservative in our estimates it would still be a far cry from a 42% in support.
Quite a different statistic when you look at it in that light. I would say that using such examples as forcible intercourse, murder, and burglary as comparisons is fallacious at best.
