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DarkestNite
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any muslims out there??

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314d1
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Oh my bad... are you trying to say that non religious people have a better way of living than religious people?
That is an opinion and if we are working with opinions, then in my opinion, our way of life is better. Every person is going to say their way is better.


Nope, but you asked me for reasons to be an atheist and I gave you some. Are you trying to say Muslims live better than atheists?

READ MY OTHER POSTS THOSE ARE EXTTREAMISTS WHO PUT BAD IMPRESIONS ON THE GOOD FOLLOWERS!!!!


READ MY POST! I SAID THEY DO NOT APPLY TO ALL PEOPLE! PLEASE START READING THE ENTIRE POST BEFORE CRITICIZING!
DarkestNite
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1. No religious wars.
2. No fear of hell for you or loved ones
3. No trying to please something that may not exist
4. No clouding your thoughts with preconceived notions
5. No using religion as a political tool, and no reason to fall for that tool
6. No holding back science so you can get a false since of security
7. No feeling to force your ideas(or lack there of, in this case) on other people threw converting(some atheist do this for other reasons, but its not required as it is in some religions)
I realize that these do not apply to everyone, but I think its a good starter.


1] Religious wars are just another kind of war. israel and palestine is really just a war about land! It is like me saying I own a piece of land and you saying you own it too.

2] Again, fear of hell stops many bad things from happening, just like fear of government.

3] Trying to please something, gives your life purpose... besides, that is not in fact a drawback - some people really like it! Again, this is an opinion.

4]Who says our thoughts are clouded? I could say that your thoughts are clouded with preconcieved notions about how the universe came into existence.

5]Religion and non religion are used as political tools.

6]Muslims do not hold back science. In fact, a Muslim man invented math!!

7]In islam, there is no compulsion into islam. [2:256]
Ominous
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I cannot agree more,

and for 314d1, would you tell the purpose of your Life.??

If you Do not Mind....

DarkestNite
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Anyway, I need to go, I will check back in the morning.

Please let's keep this discussion clean and peaceful.

Ominous
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O.K

314d1
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1] Religious wars are just another kind of war. israel and palestine is really just a war about land! It is like me saying I own a piece of land and you saying you own it too.


But instead of being civilized and coming up with a diplomatic solution we decide to continue a war that has been going on for a century. Because of religion...

2] Again, fear of hell stops many bad things from happening, just like fear of government.



And plenty good things from happening. For example, a women needed emergency treatment. She was Muslim, so her husband would not let the male doctor see here to give her the treatment, for fear of hell. A lot of time was lost, but they finally came up with the solution of covering up her body except for a small patch of skin. Fortunately for her, she lived, though it was far closer than it would have bin. And as shown by statistics, it doesn't help with with criminals at all. And what of the illogical fears, such as your believing that your friends and relatives of different religions will be tortured forever?

3] Trying to please something, gives your life purpose... besides, that is not in fact a drawback - some people really like it! Again, this is an opinion.


You could try to please something physical, maybe your wife or a rich guy or something, and you will get far more than you will from giving your life to a metaphysical being. You still get the purpose and you could really like it to!

4]Who says our thoughts are clouded? I could say that your thoughts are clouded with preconcieved notions about how the universe came into existence.


I have no preconceived notions, if you would provide a logical theory with this little thing called EVIDENCE then I would be forced to acknowledge that you have the most likely theory. But since you don't have EVIDENCE and I have a little EVIDENCE for "the big bang" I think I will stick with EVIDENCE, as EVIDENCE runs science.


5]Religion and non religion are used as political tools.


When? "The god that isn't there hates fags!"? "We are an atheist nation, so stop abortion!"? (Although I am for abortion, I am just molding them after Christian campaigns I have seen).

6]Muslims do not hold back science. In fact, a Muslim man invented math!!


I am speaking of religion in general, and that depends on witch "math" you go by. I think the Aztec or Mayans had a form of math before the Muslim fellow.

7]In islam, there is no compulsion into islam. [2:256


Once again, speaking of religions in general, and of course the ones I am more familiar with. I had forgotten that

2:6 As for the Disbelievers, Whether thou warn them or thou warn them not it is all one for them; they believe not.

2:7 Allah hath sealed their hearing and their hearts, and on their eyes there is a covering. Theirs will be an awful doom.

Allah had stopped non Muslims from believing. Oh well, I guess I will have to settle for that awful doom I was promised.
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And plenty good things from happening. For example, a women needed emergency treatment. She was Muslim, so her husband would not let the male doctor see here to give her the treatment, for fear of hell. A lot of time was lost, but they finally came up with the solution of covering up her body except for a small patch of skin. Fortunately for her, she lived, though it was far closer than it would have bin. And as shown by statistics, it doesn't help with with criminals at all. And what of the illogical fears, such as your believing that your friends and relatives of different religions will be tortured forever?


well i guess she lived because her husband fallowed his faith and didd the riht thing
314d1
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I cannot agree more,

and for 314d1, would you tell the purpose of your Life.??

If you Do not Mind...


It has no purpose, we are only here by a lucky chance. Feel free to make one if you wish.

well i guess she lived because her husband fallowed his faith and didd the riht thing


She BARLEY lived. I will give another example of a young Mormon chap who would have been saved if he was able to take blood, but his religion prevented him. I could find more examples with a little surfing...
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well i have to go salam and good night please send a link

314d1
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well i have to go salam and good night please send a link


A link to what?
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I'm very happy I read this thread, and to meet a fellow female that isn't afraid to stand up for what she believes! I may be a Christian but I am open minded and have been asking questions my whole life. I hope I never stop asking them too because I have a low tolerance for know-it-alls.
I have made one observation that seems to be a current "mantra" on this thread, when atheists lump all theists into the same pot along with religious etremists then the numbers get woefully destorted. The prisoner is only being asked if they have any religious affiliation. They aren't being asked if they are &quotracticing or devoted" Christians, Muslims, Jews, Greek Orthordox, etc.
I would also like to read more questions from Avorne who I think has asked the most enlightening questions. I've learned a couple of new similarities between Protestants and Muslims, thanks Avorne.

314d1
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I'm very happy I read this thread, and to meet a fellow female that isn't afraid to stand up for what she believes! I may be a Christian but I am open minded and have been asking questions my whole life. I hope I never stop asking them too because I have a low tolerance for know-it-alls.
I have made one observation that seems to be a current "mantra" on this thread, when atheists lump all theists into the same pot along with religious etremists then the numbers get woefully destorted. The prisoner is only being asked if they have any religious affiliation. They aren't being asked if they are &quotracticing or devoted" Christians, Muslims, Jews, Greek Orthordox, etc.
I would also like to read more questions from Avorne who I think has asked the most enlightening questions. I've learned a couple of new similarities between Protestants and Muslims, thanks Avorne.


Does it matter? They do not consider themselves atheist, thus they are not. I do not put all of them in the same pot as extremist, in fact in the latter you are the one who wished to group all in prison as "devoted or practicing"( As an afterthought I would like to point out it is probably difficult in some prisons to practice your religion)

And why does it matter if women are standing up for what they believe in? Is it because you feel inferior, as the Bible tells you you are?
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I am supposed to be a Muslim.

But Science just makes too much sense

DarkestNite
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Haha, let me ask you... What about government as the highest power?? They can be bribed, and who do they have to fear?? Who will stop them from the wrong that they do?? Government cannot make up for a higher entity!

Oh yes, and about your 'only 2% atheists in jail', 2.5% make up the world's population of atheists!!! the whole big world!

Avorne
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Let's see - statistically, you're far more likely to be a Christian in Jail than an Atheist - which puts to bed any fears about 'Atheists aren't moral because they don't have some silly sky-fairy to prod them up the buttocks into doing right.'

Also, non-religious life is quite probably better than religious living. We don't have to spend our lives under oppression from some invisible deity with only a vague promise of some (non-existent) reward in the afterlife.

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