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mdv96
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What do you think about this? I feel that it should not be built at ground zero because I find that extremely disrespectful to the families and victims of that infamous day.

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EnterOrion
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Dammit. No one ever listens to me . . . .

This is not an issue of religion! It never was!

They can build it, no one with half a decent brain is saying they can't. This is an issue of wisdom and common courtesy. It's a bad idea, and very disrespectful, especially coming from this particular Imam.

There are plenty of mosques in New York City, in fact, well over a dozen. Building one in a very unlikely spot (financial district, WTF?) is not only stupid and inviting violence, but just very ignorant.

nevetsthereaper
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i agree. damn, couldnt have summed that one up better if i tried. its legal, its constitutional, but its still no right.

mdv96
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exacty orion. i agree with you 100 percent. im using my itiuch so im sorry if my spelling fails. it isnt a matter of religion... its common sence and respect for the victoms of the WTC... which is 2 blocks away.

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i can understand why people may not agree with it, but... should we blame an entire religion for what extremists did? terrorism is terrorism, regardless of religion. Just like how the crusades were terrorism, or how Catholics and Protestant EXTREMISTS like to blow each other up. Theses idiots don't represent their religion, they warp their beliefs to their purpose. Oh and the "mosque" being built isn't illegal or against the constitution.

it isnt a matter of religion... its common sence and respect for the victoms of the WTC... which is 2 blocks away.


if it's not a matter of religion, then why building a "mosque" near the WTC disrespectful? I sure a christian Church or such would be just fine.
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should we blame an entire religion for what extremists did?


No, but people will. It's best to avoid unnecessary controversy.

Oh and the "mosque" being built isn't illegal or against the constitution.


We know that. It's just a really bad idea.

I sure a christian Church or such would be just fine.


That's because they didn't bomb the towers. Muslim extremists did, and extremist or not, the American public won't see things impartially.

If somebody attacks them, it will be their fault- of course the attacker would be in the wrong, but the whole situation can be avoided by not stirring up trouble. It at least makes it much less likely. They should try to avoid such situations.

Maybe they need their own martyrs. The towers fall to psychos, and their mosque gets attacked by a psycho. All-out war before you know it, not just a war on terror. Winner take all.
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if it's not a matter of religion, then why building a "mosque" near the WTC disrespectful? I sure a christian Church or such would be just fine.


Tell that to the idiots who denied the Orthodox churches' permits to rebuild.

Also, it never was about religion. It's about RESPECT, not RELIGION.

Whether or not they were representing their religion properly or not, it still doesn't change the fact their religion was a primary motivator behind the attacks.

If they so need a mosque, build it somewhere else. I'm fairly certain there are plenty of plots outside of eyeline of the WTC.

should we blame an entire religion for what extremists did?


No, we shouldn't. It wasn't 99% of them that attacked them (although quite a few openly condone it, and even more neither condone nor condemn), but it WAS their religion. As I said, if they so need to build the largest mosque in NYC, they can build it somewhere else, and no one would care. I'm serious. Plenty of mosques are built all the time, everywhere. This is not an issue of disrespecting their religion, but them disrespecting those that were lost. If it was a sign of apology (which, coming from this imam, tells me otherwise), it was in EXTREMELY poor taste.

Look, no intelligent people will stop them. No one is trying to stop them. We're just pretty blatantly (i.e. 60% of Americans) telling them that it's a very bad idea, and to move it elsewhere. Just do a favor, and move it. There are plenty of other places. Also, change the opening day. The 10th year anniversary of the attack is not nice to open on, and doesn't look good for you.
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Why not people should have the freemdom to pratice reglion were and when they please if we don't allow them then it's just making more hate.
What is said is when you see a church making a lets burn the qua'koran day that made me want to punch a hole in the tv.

Distoobed
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Why not people should have the freemdom to pratice reglion were and when they please if we don't allow them then it's just making more hate.


Exactly
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But as it was already mentioned, there are several mosques in New York, so why put a religious building in the financial sector? The muslims can still woship wherever they want, and America can have a piece of National History be preserved.

I think that is what the whole debate will boil down to, whether or not it should become a National Monument.

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America can have a piece of National History be preserved.

Its not on ground zero it is 2 blocks away
EnterOrion
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Its not on ground zero it is 2 blocks away


Within sight. Move it out of sight, it's fine. They shouldn't be allowed to look at it every day, I'm sorry to hurt your feelings.

Also, I have a quick question: Who is going to this mosque? It's in the financial district, a place where residence of people period is fairly low, let alone Muslims. So why a 13 story mosque that people will have to commute 30-45 minutes to attend?

Second question: Why is it purposely being set to open on the anniversary?

Third question: Who is going to fit the $100m bill?

Fourth question: Why this location? There are plenty of others, as well as plenty of other mosques. They can easily build it where attendance will be much higher, and controversy far lower.

Fifth question: Why so close? It has no reason to be so close.

Sixth question: Why so big? How are they going to fill this massive complex?

I would like all of you who are in support to answer these questions. All of them. I will cease to debate this issue unless all the questions can be met with counter debate beyond "It's freedom of religion!" I get this. This was never in question. I never once denied them the right to build it, I just opposed it on moralistic grounds.
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Also, I have a quick question: Who is going to this mosque? It's in the financial district, a place where residence of people period is fairly low, let alone Muslims. So why a 13 story mosque that people will have to commute 30-45 minutes to attend?

If it fails it fails, and just like everything else, it will(possibly) be shut down.

Why is it purposely being set to open on the anniversary?

As has been shown by people not wanting it built near the WTC ruins, it has a connection to 9/11. Who knows, maybe the people that decided the opening day thought they could try to turn the Muslim-WTC connection into something vaguely good.

Who is going to fit the $100m bill?

I'd think that would be irrelevant to ask considering this is not the only mosque that will cost money - a lot of money.

Why this location? There are plenty of others, as well as plenty of other mosques. They can easily build it where attendance will be much higher, and controversy far lower.

Maybe they do want to honour those that died, or maybe they just want the attention, attention would be good to get worshippers, or maybe they didn't think this whole thing through and can't admit a mistake.
Also, its not the only place Muslims worship that was a target during 9/11, its not the closest either, why is proximity such an issue now?
Why so close? It has no reason to be so close.

See last question.

Why so big? How are they going to fill this massive complex?
That, I really don't know.
benman113
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Within sight. Move it out of sight

Why can we not be mature and forgive and tolerate?
Wouldn't it be a mature and peaceful step to showing muslims that we accept there reglion.
How many more young men and women need to die before you relize that we need more peaceful steps like this.
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Why can we not be mature and forgive and tolerate?
Wouldn't it be a mature and peaceful step to showing muslims that we accept there reglion.
How many more young men and women need to die before you relize that we need more peaceful steps like this.


i applaud that
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That, I really don't know.


You got the other questions fine... For this one, I heard it was more of a recreation center than a Masque, with a basketball hoop etc.
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