I am not here to argue because that would imply that am doing anything less than stating facts. And I just wrote this all before and it all god deleted because I backed up the web page and AG is the only poorly enough coded site that it doesn't auto keep my text on so I am keeping this way shorter than the last.
The problem with mods these days is that they are poorly picked, because we have a shortage of mods and instead of waiting for the right people to show up the wrong people get picked. This doesn't work. You should have a quota of mods, that makes no sense on a site that has to wait for mod-worthy people to come, you can't do that. If at one point you have 5 qualified mods, then that sucks for them, lots of more work, but if there is 15 why then not take them all instead of saying sorry we full.
But the latter isn't the issue, it is the former. An issue is that the distinction between a great user and a moderator doesn't exist. It actually does, me. I am a quality user that is not a mod, but many other mods just like me who fit in same category shouldn't be there, and I won't mention names, but everyone knows who I am talking about clearly, even the mod themselves, because even they realize they shouldn't be mods. Yes you, you all know who you are. These people are great users with great content and you've turned them into mods which has not only made them worse, but you ruining the community as well.
Anyone who is awesome you've swept from the AG community and turned into a moderator who shouldn't be there because they are power tripping and think anyone who criticizes them should be banned, and instead of letting kids deal with their problems just instantly ban half the populous. Most of the best community from the past, all the old users, have left. When I talk to them on MSN about why they left, almost every single one left because of the poorly manages mods, who were either nonexistent when needed or took action where they should have stopped nosing around.
These mods, who instead of spending their time posting fun threads and letting users do what they want, they ruin users fun because it's not constructive to the site. Take a step back, who are these rules meant to be helping? Oh right the majority of users. What happens when the same majority of users want to do something like make a spam thread or do something fun? They get banned. That doesn't make sense, this isn't US congress, laws aren't irreversible or inflexible. But instead of being normal people and letting small things slide, they act uptight(even though they were the exact opposite when normal members) and power trip and ban all the good users. Almost no one from the past is here on AG anymore and for a good reason.
The mods are suppose to be here to facilitate fun and help the community progress and all they do nowadays is deter that. You seem to forget that just like police you are here to serve and protect us, not harp over us and ruin your own community.
Also, once a mod is chosen I have never seen a single one be fired(except maybe 1). You guys are way to passive. There is no way on earth that every single one of the mods ever chosen have all been perfect. The same thing in a company, people hire others, realize it was a mistake and fire them. Not let them go AFK and sit there being useless or being a bad mod ruining the community and wait until they resign. You need to grow a pair, grow up, and take lead and fire other mods, stop being so passive towards each other you are just ruining armorgames.
Now I know this thread will just be ignored or locked by the mods. Because the one thing I always realize with you guys, is that you have lots of criticism for everyone else, but when ever so clear problems with you guys come up, you ignore it or delete and/or ban users who were completely in their right. I have tried for countless years to have anything done and nothing ever does because everyone is too scared to speak out and stop being useless.
The mods list right now is in terrible shape, stop ignoring me, stop telling me I am wrong with no reason and just banning me. Instead, try doing something, stop being little whimps and actually do something for a change, maybe you will finally make a right decision and stop ruining the community you are suppose to be supporting. This forum is so tiny compared to others I am on, it is insanely surprising to me how you have so much trouble dealing with such a small group of mods. But then again, I am not so surprised because it is a circle. Hiring terrible staff who wont admit when wrong and rectify errors leads to the best community-lead users hating the staff, making them leave,and these good players who make the community thrive leave, the community dies more,less good mods to chose from, and staff has then to pick from more shitty people to become mods, then we have more shitty mods.
Someone needs to break the cycle or else this site will keep getting worse. And if you don't like how brash I am being then I suggest someone finally either brings me to somewhere I can deal with this myself with someone who can actually do something or do it yourself. Because I don't say this for nothing, I say it because I know better.
a bit paranoia? The people that are complaining are mostly the ones that where banned before. They are angry at the staff for banning them, but do not realize their own mistake.
And btw....i have been on other forums and...i think this forum is the best one without spam or trolls.
I agree that ArmorPoints aren't terribly good - they encourage spam for a start. I do think that the Merit system is good though - it gives users something to work towards and a reason to better the things they post.
If we do keep the WHOLE AP system there will still be spam. But if we take away everything but the merit system. Allow me to explain myself here.
Having just the merit system would be good because the people who cared about AP would think, there isn't anything left to spam, you get no points.
And that on it would encourage them to make more quality posts, or something that can be merit-worthy. This is why only the merit system should stay.
But again, the people who really really really really cared about AP would just spend their time flaming/trolling that AP is gone.
Still, Cenny's Rule, You flame, you lose.
What I do enjoy about these forums is the fact that we don't allow stupid annoying signatures. Those are nerdy, too nerdy even for a gaming website! They are also annoying.
I agree. And honestly, I have been against this idea ever since the beginning. The signatures get in the way of the discussion and it just ruins it. Or people's signatures can be really long. It is annoying...
To my knowledge, the other moderators who are currently most active are Cenere, Nemo, and Gantic. Gantic tends to be nearly invisible when he works. Asherlee is working 60 hour weeks, so while we were happy that she returned, you can appreciate that she currently has little time on her hands. Moegreche retired because he got married. Estel is always busy with either school or sport and I haven't seen him around in months. Safe to say that Ubertuna is also inactive. Since I'm not that active, I cannot claim that what I've just said is entirely accurate, but it is my impression.
Though I haven't seen Ash in awhile. I know she did come back, but I haven't seen her. Estel was gone a long time ago. The last time I can recall seeing him was last year. I saw Uber posting a bit a couple of months ago in the WEPR. But haven't seen him since. And what about Voidy? I haven't seen him.
And btw....i have been on other forums and...i think this forum is the best one without spam or trolls.
I have been on the Kong forums and it is full of spam and vicious people too. I don't know if Kong can maintain it. Though it seems they ARE able to maintain it. But their business and their business. We have our problems.
Only a few people would stay if the AP system will stop, and the actuall forum only has about 60 regulars* tops. 20 regulars is not a forum. It's a group chat.
*people that have at least 200 posts,that are active and that post at least a few posts every other day.
is their any possible way i can become a moderator
No, since there is no possible way anybody could ever take you seriously.
The people that are complaining are mostly the ones that where banned before.
Not exactly. Klaus has hardly ever been banned and several of the other users have never been banned.
i think this forum is the best one without spam or trolls.
Musta been some pretty bad forums.
I was never banned and I like the moderation in the forum.
So? What does your ban history have to do with your opinion on the way the forum is maintained? And more importantly, how does it help solve the problem at hand whatsoever?
Also, howcome everyone thinks this forum is over-run with trolls? Because I hardly ever see them. You guys remember that time that Saving123 trolled the forum? Well he didn't. He just made a ton of alts and then posted random s*it. That's spamming. Also, I never noticed him recieve a ban for making multiple alts and them spamming in the forums. Then bragging about how much of an "Epic Troll" he was. Just saying.
Yeah, four times is hardly ever. Worded by Cen and agreed to: Oh, and then there is all his "get out of ban free"-cards, so he should probably have a ban record worthy of a permaban. I wonder why he doesn't like us...
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So yeah.
Also, I never noticed him recieve a ban for making multiple alts and them spamming in the forums.
Last time I went through a game, there was no comments quite meritworthy, so apparently people have stopped trying entirely, and I will probably waste my time.
One game doesn't stand for all 1600+ games.
99% of AG users have no idea what a merit is. I'm not talking about the inactive ghosts who have never come online once in their life; I'm referring to the game commenters who post short little comments that mean absolutely nothing. Maybe if the merit system was encouraged somewhere outside of the forum, more people would be writing them.
The users who do know what a merit is have given up on it because they realize that merit distribution has come to almost a complete stop. If they were encouraged as well, more merits would be awarded to more users, and game creators would have more feedback than just "good 7/10".
I was never banned and I like the moderation in the forum.
I was only banned once. can you believe that? I should have been banned countless times for all the tomfoolery Ive committed. but no, the mods dont respect me enough to ban me.
I wonder why he doesn't like us...
klaus are you german? that would explain it if he was. germans dont like danishes.
Maybe if the merit system was encouraged somewhere outside of the forum, more people would be writing them.
maybe putting it under the description of the game would get people pumped to write merit comments.
the forums nowadays are just several steaming piles of who knows what lying around waiting for people to take advantage of them.
a prison cell? I see your logic
I personally have no effing clue the exact purpose for WHY the comment section was added to profiles except for maybe leaving a comment every once and awhile.
people dont like to log on to some other website if they are already here. that would eventually also cause users to leave the site completely.
HOPEFULLY Carlie will read this thread and ACTUALLY take into consideration recommendations from active users of this community
dream on. hitler took more recommendations from his prisoners.
HOPEFULLY Carlie will read this thread and ACTUALLY take into consideration recommendations from active users of this community,
Let's see, Ernie wants merit-giving to start. I agree with his point Klaus wants a few things: 1.to take up dictatorship of the site even thought he has not paid for it and does not run it economicaly. He's basicly trying to uproot daniel, who created the site. No one in the right minds would agree to that. 2.To get more moderators. Ok. Who will do the picking? Most people wouldn't want to do this because of the responsobility, and how do you know they won't get drunk on power. 3.To let the moderators let the community do whatever they want, like spam threads. That would ruin the community, sinse lots of people will create their own spam threads. 4.For the moderator ego to go short. And you thing your ego if you get to be a mod will be smaller, because you, unlike them, "won" the positionusing this thread. Someone proposed taking awat the AP except for the merits. This will decrease the number of regulars on the forum. Kirby is supporting them and offers nothing new.
P.S. Klaus, don't hack AG and I like the moderators. They hadn't stuck their nose in my buisness, ever.
I'm not entirely suer your complaints should be about the moderators, seeing as they are trying there best. But it seems the Ag staff have dropped them into the sea and left.
Tehy can't fix the problems you are presenting, and while yes, they may not give you guys merits, but if we were smart and took away points, none of you would want them anyways.
The sites main focus isnot on the community. That much should be very clear at this pint in time. It is on games, since...well thats what this site is for after all. It's in the name. I've been here for along enough that I can see what you mean, but there are no trolls or anything, therefor they see no need for a new mod. Then comes that part of actually picking one when they feel one is needed. They don't just sya, your not a douche, your hired, they look and check for proper grammar, and this, and that, and the list goes on. We just need people to deel with the masses of unhappy people. Not a few super smart people with lives to do the job that every one expects of them.
Without AP site attendance would drop while new people looking for a furm stubmle upin us. The site developers don't want this to happen at all, seeing as they like getting money from you kids looking at all the pretty adds. Ap would reduce spam, and increase trolls, which is just awesome so we should do that for that reason alone. It would also get rid of all the annoying people we have had o nthis site, that the mods refuse to get rid of EVEN WHEN I SHOVE EVIDENCE OF IT IN THERE FACES!!!!!...er.....sorry, lost my cool. But thats another ting. In some cases the moderators seem to be far to leanient. there kinda backwarsd in there methods. there not bad people,. just have a horrible situation, in which there told "Go fix the bad stuff"
I was only banned once. can you believe that? I should have been banned countless times for all the tomfoolery Ive committed. but no, the mods dont respect me enough to ban me.
Twice, once for a full week. You don't look that neglected.
The absolutely disgusting thing I've seen going on is the "This thread is currently about..." thread. I despise that thread not only because it breaks the rules on several occasions but the mods let it be and even participate in it. That thread is PURE spam, one thing we are trying to get rid of. That thread is just free AP for anyone who can write five words about their favorite who knows what. That almost pisses me off as much as getting points from comments.
Have you reported it for it? I've only read like two pages of it because I thought someone else was keeping an eye on it...
Also, didn't at one point before he left, devoidless crack down and yell at people for using the comment section as some sort of chat service? I remember that quite vividly when I used to talk to fst.
We do this whenever it's noticed that a user chats enough via profiles to go up thousands of AP, t'wasn't just Voidy and just Voidy.
I'm not entirely suer your complaints should be about the moderators, seeing as they are trying there best.
Klaus evidently does not think we do. That aside, most of the issues discussed here are things we have absolutely no influence on. At all.
Then comes that part of actually picking one when they feel one is needed.
It's more "when one is deemed ready", really.
It would also get rid of all the annoying people we have had o nthis site, that the mods refuse to get rid of EVEN WHEN I SHOVE EVIDENCE OF IT IN THERE FACES!!!!!
A. The site has too few active mods B. The site isn't perfect by any measure C. Some people like to moan... A LOT.
These are all things that we knew and while B and C are things that could never be solved we could probably cobble together a solution to A that might appease some people.
