This is not about whether or not he was the son of God but whether he actually existed.Most atheists agree that he did live but there are some who don't so what are you're thoughts?
for the most part, it does. A rocking doesnt always rock, does it? same for everything else in life...
Actually most of your stuff only makes sense to you it would seem. Also keep in mind your holding dear and defending something that you yourself admitted is based on a book that is tampered with and inaccurate.
yes only because i am one of the few people who actually make a connection between science and religion. Everyone else is one or the other. The fact that you dont consider and you just accuse me of being ignorant is actually foolish of you.
a lot of scientific theorems can be objected as well. heres a link this time:[url=http://www.toptenz.net/top-10-most-famous-scientific-theories-that-turned-out-to-be-wrong.php]
That wasn't an illogical statement or insult.
depends on who you ask
I do, I don't necessarily consider the history channel as a reliable source.
why not? why would a channel devote itself to telling you their opinions instead of facts? Just because it's TV doesnt mean its false.
How does He not know what the outcome will be? War and violence do exist because of what happened in Eden, remember the thing with the fruit? Sin entered the world then and people have been getting worse ever sense.
Yup the apple and the temptation, ive read that story a thousand times. Humanity has been getting worse, yes, but most of us have learned from it. Others have ignored the warnings. This is exactly why humanity is getting worse. Bad decisions are what's killing us.
I never said I did not agree with you, I just mean that you need to seem reasonable to those who disagree with you. Does it help anyone if you give them more ammo?[quote] its not giving them ammo when technically im on both sides. plus my thoughts are as valid as any christian is going to get them to be
[quote]Let's say, for starters, Noah and his boat. I still haven't gotten answers from Slimmy. He claims Noah only grabbed the "essentials" of his boat. Essentials of...a hundred thousand land and air species?
wait wait wait. did you read my theorem on this story at all? EXAGGERATIONS i said. that story wasnt recorded on slab until moses was alive, which is a couple hundred years.[/quote]
@freakenstin The biblical 'kind' is a lot different from the modern definition of 'species'. At the time, a kind referred to any creatures that could inter-breed and produce fertile offspring. A domesticated dog, wolf, coyote and dingo would all qualify as a 'kind'. It has been estimated that only about 8,000 different kinds would be needed, at the average size of a sheep. The diversity we see today results because, similar to Darwin's finches, the creatures on the ark were basically mutts. Through natural selection they became more specialized.
@slimmy
Considering that Moses copied down what God told him on Mt. Sinai how did they become exaggerated or twisted?
Actually your thoughts are only as valid as the evidence allows them to be. So far that's 0. I would suggest either gathering evidence to support your claim, or refrain from asserting as fact something which is not only unproven, but is facing mountains of evidence to the contrary. Supporting a baseless claim, even in light of opposing evidence, simply because you want it to be true is not debate, and it is not intellectually honest.
The biblical 'kind' is a lot different from the modern definition of 'species'. At the time, a kind referred to any creatures that could inter-breed and produce fertile offspring. A domesticated dog, wolf, coyote and dingo would all qualify as a 'kind'. It has been estimated that only about 8,000 different kinds would be needed, at the average size of a sheep. The diversity we see today results because, similar to Darwin's finches, the creatures on the ark were basically mutts. Through natural selection they became more specialized.
Completely disproved by evolution, archeological, and DNA evidence. Had this happened we would see vastly less variation in the species, as well as many species which we see today, which evolved prior to this event, would be extinct even though they are not.
I'm 106 and sixteen-twenty thirds percent sure God knows EVERYTHING. I don't think he has any guessing to do Slimmy.
he knows everything, but this isnt the dimension he is in... for one, different rules apply in this universe compared to his. What i am saying is that he knows, and he tries to influence what he wants into our decisions, but obviously humanity doesnt listen. and sorry for the misquotation mistakes on my last post. just switch some of them around and they will make sense
The diversity we see today results because, similar to Darwin's finches, the creatures on the ark were basically mutts. Through natural selection they became more specialized.
This takes MUCH longer than a couple thousand years for entirely-new species to develop.
Completely disproved by evolution, archeological, and DNA evidence. Had this happened we would see vastly less variation in the species, as well as many species which we see today, which evolved prior to this event, would be extinct even though they are not.
consider what i said. He rounded all of the animals from HIS world which at the time was mesopotamia. That doesnt mean that animals everywhere else died off.
its not giving them ammo when technically im on both sides. plus my thoughts are as valid as any christian is going to get them to be
How can you be on both sides?
Completely disproved by evolution, archeological, and DNA evidence. Had this happened we would see vastly less variation in the species, as well as many species which we see today, which evolved prior to this event, would be extinct even though they are not.
Actually your thoughts are only as valid as the evidence allows them to be. So far that's 0. I would suggest either gathering evidence to support your claim, or refrain from asserting as fact something which is not only unproven, but is facing mountains of evidence to the contrary. Supporting a baseless claim, even in light of opposing evidence, simply because you want it to be true is not debate, and it is not intellectually honest.
well religion is based off of spirtitual thinking, not hard facts. I have given my theorems on bible stories to the extent that they make sense in the scientific world. In that sense, what is science, but the exact same thing? Science starts with a theory and is at first disregarded, but through extensive research. Just because i cant reference my thoughts doesnt mean that they are false.
[quote]The diversity we see today results because, similar to Darwin's finches, the creatures on the ark were basically mutts. Through natural selection they became more specialized.
This takes MUCH longer than a couple thousand years for entirely-new species to develop.[/quote]
Not if they were in a hostile environment were the weak ones die off? Do you know how long it would take then?
[quote]Considering that Moses copied down what God told him on Mt. Sinai how did they become exaggerated or twisted?
considering that the ten commandments were smashed and then somehow recopied, this could happen. Plus, the bible stories were also passed down orally before the time of moses. Another thing, King James rewrote the bible to fit what he thought and people still believe that it is completely the truth
How can you be on both sides?
technically i am considering that i believe science and religion go hand in hand.
Not if they were in a hostile environment were the weak ones die off?
If they were in a hostile environment and the weak species of their own died off, then they would still be the "mutts" you described above. If they were "mutts" that had a combined variation of different wolves, then it would still take the time from now to the dawn of man to even begin to notice differences. Of course, they would still be similar enough to mate, so they would still be in the same species. It takes many, many years of genetic isolation to have one species completely different from another that used to be similar.
I believe he was real. He wasn't god's son though. And by the way I'm jewish so I dont go to church but I got a question to you christians why don't you pray to God? Why his son(or so you say)?
